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I was looking through the codex, and found very little A.P. 2 or better with enough shots to take out a terminator squad. The Triarch Praetorians stand out, but 6" is to close, isn't it?

Through sheer volume of fire.

1 or 2 large squads of warriors, or a couple of annihilation barges. Just lots of shots into them. Have a destroyer lord in either 1 or both of the big squads, and you are getting rerolled 1's on both your to hit and to would rolls.

Apart from Doomsday Arks, Destuct-teks, Doom Scythes, and C'tans, there really isn't a great option other than weight of fire. Tesla Destructors via Annihilation Barges are great at forcing mass saves, but mileage will vary awaiting your opponent to roll 1s.

Honestly, I haven't seen terminators as often since 6th edition dropped, so high mobility and buckets of dice have been able to do the trick when I've needed to get rid of guys in terminator armor. My doomsday ark helps as well...

Armadeus wrote:
I was looking through the codex, and found very little A.P. 2 or better with enough shots to take out a terminator squad. The Triarch Praetorians stand out, but 6" is to close, isn't it?

You don't have to just use AP2 or better, you can drown them in volume of shots. Tesla Immortals are pretty decent at this, and so are Tesla Destructors. So is a large blob of warriors rapidfiring. Ghost Arks, with Warriors rapidfiring + a Broadside from the Flayer Array

The Praetorians are pretty good at knocking out non SS termies if they have a Dlord with them. 6' range isn't too bad, with a 12' movement.

If you're looking for AP2, the Doomsday Ark is pretty good. It's a strength 9 AP1 large blast, with 72' range, as long as you don't move it. Doomscythes are also good. A court of Eldritch Lance Crypteks can do the job as well.

Volume of fire works. Annihilation Barges can spit out enough shots that wound on 2s to drop 1-2 per Barge through the sheer amount of saves forced. If need be, snipe them using Eldritch Lances or, depending on loadout, throw an Overlord at them. Against anything that isn't AP2, a Sempiternal Weave Overlord with MSS and a Warscythe can tie up a Terminator squad and perhaps even beat them.

Squads with AP2 weapons will probably need a Phase Shifter, but nothing bar GKTs can outright gib you, and even then it's only if they get hammerhand off. MSSing any AP2 weapons also works well, so try and manoeuvre any charges so you only get into base contact with Axes/Hammers.

Praetorians are also good. Attach a Destroyer Lord for Preferred Enemy, too.

Well, I'd send my Wraiths in if needed (desperate). They hit first vs. fists and chains and they have tons of rending attacks on the charge. So they should hold up a Termie squad for a while.

I wonder how well Praetorians with casters and voidblades would do against terminators. Sure, the 6" AP2 shot works better, but voidblades do get rending, more attacks, strike before most Terminators, and if they're with a destroyer lord that's some decent damage.

Also, don't forget the Harbinger of Despair with some Deathmarks. Wounding on 2+ with an AP1 template on the marked unit. Sure, you gotta get close, but that's a nasty hit.

Shoot, shoot, and when you are done with that, shoot. You can only kill them by forcing saves. Don't let them get into close combat with anything unless you are trying to tie them up.

i'd say teslas. As an ork i RARELY have AP2 that isnt a pklaw, i still take it out because i pump 15-20 wounds on it constantly. Theyre only 1 wound, fail a test and theyre dead and with THAT many rolls they will fail eventually.

Yea, it sucks, ive had times when i just couldnt ge tthem to fail even after rolling baller dice (ive caused 30 wounds from a 20man shoota by squad before....thats insanely high...passed every save lol) but its really better than trying to sneak in a super expensive, high risk AP2 attack.

Triarch Stalker with Heavy Gauss Cannon. Shoot at the terminator squad. Should down 1. Deathball of 20 Warriors with a Phareon (who has a Warscythe) rapid fire them (these warriors are now shooting with Twin Linked) Phaeron gives Warriors relentless. After shooting, assault any that survive, Warscythe should take care of the rest.

I have actually seen many more people, including my own CSM army, fielding Terminators more often. Though people have been bringing the plasma, often times it's combi-plasma and/or on dudes that die with AP3 shots easily. So the Termies can go for harder targets, deepstriking into the backfield for combi-melta vehicle hunting.

If your Crons can take a character with a warscythe that makes their gauss-shooty guns relentless, then that's a great idea in many cases, not just vs. Termies. However, if the Phaeron is indeed a character, he can be challenged, and if accepts can only kill 1 Termie Champ, or decline and not strike at all, then be rechallenged next round of combat, on and on.....

Volume of fire should take care of stuff though, Termies are pricey and typically limited in number. You'll see more in Dark Angel lists probably since they can be scoring units, maybe in Grey Knights too?

I always run 3 x A. Barges and most of the time use 3 squads of warriors (dual courts) with 2 Destro-teks per. I can hammer out volume and AP2 shots. Admittedly, my local meta forced me into the double court because it seems I end up playing Draigo-wing, guard-mech-spam or generic marines a lot, so I just kept adding more AP2 and high strength fire.

In short: keep shooting.

Heavy Destroyers and Destro Court.

tbh, 5 Deathmarks with a Depairtek will almost wipe them

 GrimTeef wrote:
I wonder how well Praetorians with casters and voidblades would do against terminators. Sure, the 6" AP2 shot works better, but voidblades do get rending, more attacks, strike before most Terminators, and if they're with a destroyer lord that's some decent damage.

Also, don't forget the Harbinger of Despair with some Deathmarks. Wounding on 2+ with an AP1 template on the marked unit. Sure, you gotta get close, but that's a nasty hit.

Five guys with a DLord isn't bad when striking I1 terms. The DLord by himself can carry most the fight, and 4+ RO will keep you going long enough to sling some dice at them.

0.63 (Pistols)+ 0.66 (Hammer)+.57 (Rend)+.85 (Non-Rend)=2.71 Wounds, and one way or another the DLord basically takes the serge out of the fight, so you're basically left with one or two Terms swinging which will net you ..415 or .83 dead TPs. Obviously a bigger group can get a bit dicier, and if they are fist/storm bolter terms your hitting a bit harder on your rend.

5 lords with scythes + weave + phase shifter = dead termies..

unless they're th/ss termies. In that case your in a slug fest that you will probably win because you will hit first in the first round.

CrowSplat wrote:
5 lords with scythes + weave + phase shifter = dead termies..

unless they're th/ss termies. In that case your in a slug fest that you will probably lose because you will hit first in the first round [without an invulnerable save nor eternal warrior].

Excuse my editting your post, its just for lulz. so basically this or Warscythe Lynchguard if you want CC. I guess this was supposed to be shooting, so heavy destroyers or C'Tan shards have AP2. If you want volume of fire, then mark them with deathmarks and enjoy 2+ wounds with rending, but only AP5 standard.

CrowSplat wrote:
5 lords with scythes + weave + phase shifter = dead termies..

unless they're th/ss termies. In that case your in a slug fest that you will probably win because you will hit first in the first round.

and that costs how much? Also why bother with the weave on all of them?

10 deathmarks with a d/lord will reliably take down any infantry unit. 2 x 5 deathmarks against two squads, concentrate fire on one unit. Voila.

I found that just a good ol' Giass Bolter works fine. just make sure you have a lot of them.

Or pieplates

Tesla works wonders on 2+.

10+ Warriors can do a good job of handling Terminators. Rapid-Fire and walk 6" backwards. Tesla Immortals are great too; Tesla weaponry in general is my go-to choice aside from general weight of fire.

Wraiths/Praetorians with a DLord will at least bog them down, but I would advise against pitting those units against Termies. Lychguard too, but they're just... depressing.

More controversial options include Doomsday Barges, Monoliths, and Death Scythes. One could use a C'Tan for TEQ-hunting, but that feels like a serious waste of a so-so unit. Death & Despair works fantastically, but they're only good for one squad and they will probably die. I keep 5x Deathmarks and a Cryptek in most of my lists, as an emergency tool.

volume terminators get owned by necrons.

I have a lot of success using tesla immortals with 2 lanceteks attached. Of course this requires 2 courts, but if your running tesla immortals you really should be running at least 1 lancetek with them for the kill range.

Alternatively A.barges are very effective at inducing saves on them. Also the nightscythe deathmark despairtek combo works really well against this and really any kind of expensive squad.

And if all else fails just use the ork mentality of DAKKADAAKAKADAKAA

Punisher wrote:
I have a lot of success using tesla immortals with 2 lanceteks attached. Of course this requires 2 courts, but if your running tesla immortals you really should be running at least 1 lancetek with them for the kill range.

Alternatively A.barges are very effective at inducing saves on them. Also the nightscythe deathmark despairtek combo works really well against this and really any kind of expensive squad.

And if all else fails just use the ork mentality of DAKKADAAKAKADAKAA

You can get five lances with one Court, as staff->harbinger weapon conversions do not count toward the unique wargear limit. This was pretty popular when the codex first came out.

If you wish to incorporate a Night Scythe, you would be better off using it to drop Warriors or Immortals. Death & Despair has plenty of mobility on its own since DS isn't that scary nowadays.