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What I never liked, was the fact that one in 1000 humans or something similar, are psyker's. And all of them, every single damn one, is male. Hell of a coincidence that.

I mean, I would absolutely adore, a special character for any imperial army whatsoever, who was a female psyker of such power, that they ignored their usual recruiment and rigorous bio-engineering traditions, in favour of harnessing the ability of said psyker.

But apparently, being able to shoot lightning from your hands on a whim, is something you need to be a tank of a man to do. Or, be an eldar, which in my mind, is just a cop-out. You would think the imperium would notice the eldar has a number of incredibly powerfull female psykers and think "Maybe we shouldn't kill every female psyker for having ladyparts.

Then again, I found a way round being a female gamer, with no cool character's (Without being an eldar in spandexarmour, or space-nun's in, again, spandex plate that is), and that was in playing an androginous/genderless race, in daemon's. Nurgle daemon's don't really have a gender, even if they were once men, such as in the case of plaguebearers, khorne stuff is just killy incarnate, gender doesn't come into it, tzeentch is made up of amorphous blob's of warpstuff, so again, genderless, and slaanesh stuff, is a different gender and appearance, depending on who is viewing them.

On a side note, I always wondered if sister's of battle fighting daemonettes, saw something along the lines of these guy's.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2730082a_99120201016_WoCHellstriders01_873x627.jpg

 Grey Templar wrote:
No, but including a women just for the sake of including a women is bad.

If being a women would make the character better and improve the story, hell yeah make the character a women.


Maybe because I've seen too many things where the writing and portrayal has been so bad I just cringe when it comes to female characters. Fear of bad writing I guess.

The reason that I, and other's object to this argument, is the fact that it principally work's exactly the same the other way around, but it's never seen as that.


"If being a man would make the character better and improve the story, hell yeah make the character a man. Otherwise, just make it a woman and be done with it."

But this, would never happen, seeing as how the "Default" choice for everything in fiction, tend's to be a man. Which sucks.

Ninja'd by munky'z, almost exactly. Spooky.

But to enhance this argument, I will say, every single male character in 40k, could be made a woman with absolutely no change to the storyline, if only it was not for the "Only men can be space marines" Fluff line, which just seemed to be in there to simplify thing's for GW. There is no character in all the imperium, that is male due to anything to do with how being male improves their character. They are male, because it's default.

Now, I get the target audience thing, I really do. The vast majority of players of 40k, are male. But thing's might even out, if the 40k universe was not such a "boy's club."

I'm happy there are no female astartes for one very simple reason.



I don't want to play the female version of that. Female badasses? Yes. Fe-men? No thank's, it's not in my interests to play that.

However, I think there is room for female's in the imperial guard army. Or, as called-to-arm's special character psyker's. Or more prevalence in other armies (I loved it when I discovered one of the playable tau commanders was female, you would never know it from the model, it's a battlesuit after all, but it gave me a big smile knowing. Like, a Metroid Samus moment.

They don't need to make female version of other armies. But they could do with finding a way to include them in some armies. Grey knight's did it with inquisitors, but there is only one. There are more orang-utang's than women in grey knight models after all (Literally)

 Amaya wrote:

Evileyes wrote:
I'm happy there are no female astartes for one very simple reason.



I don't want to play the female version of that. Female badasses? Yes. Fe-men? No thank's, it's not in my interests to play that.

However, I think there is room for female's in the imperial guard army. Or, as called-to-arm's special character psyker's. Or more prevalence in other armies (I loved it when I discovered one of the playable tau commanders was female, you would never know it from the model, it's a battlesuit after all, but it gave me a big smile knowing. Like, a Metroid Samus moment.

They don't need to make female version of other armies. But they could do with finding a way to include them in some armies. Grey knight's did it with inquisitors, but there is only one. There are more orang-utang's than women in grey knight models after all (Literally)

I'm sorry, did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to play female Space Marines?

If that was what I meant, I would have said that. Please do not put word's in people's mouth's.

Fact is, I do not beleive female astartes would appeal to other women. Because when it comes to it, marines are pretty grotesque physically, and if they made female astartes, they would be like female dwarves, physically indistinguisable from the male ones due to all the genetic enhancement.

As I said however, that doesn't mean I don't want us gal's represented in 40k. I just beleive the marine's don't need femarines. Female special characters? Sure. I'd like that.

If someone wanted to play female space marines, i'm not going to stop them. But I would get sad if they came to the table with something like:



Due to the fact that it completely ignores the genetic enhancement side of things. And a female space marine, in space marine armour, would be physically indistinguishable from a male one, unless they took off their helmet. They would not need boob-plates, or any of that, because space marines are barrel chested in the armour.

If you want to play it. go mad. But I'd rather not.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I think I would like to see more female characters. But I also think that manly roles should be for males only. Gotta wrestle a daemon prince with your bare hands? Nope, gotta be male.

Keep in mind, this is a setting where Sisters of Battle are capable of performing miracles because their martial arts is better than yours.

I disagree.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
As for killing wolves with your bare hands, why would you want to? That doesn't prove you're a big strong man. That proves you're an idiot who doesn't deserve to be human. Humans use tools. Even if you're caught out in the wilderness alone and some random lone wolf attacks you, grab a freaking branch, moron.

NO! Gotta do it manly way!


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Just chiming in to second the move towards chest plates rather than battle corsets.

I may love fetish fashion, but the realist in me screams when it's applied to soldiers.

I disagree, I like it when women look feminine. In reality, armor that shows off a woman's form just for the sake of it is a pretty stupid idea.But this is just miniatures we're talking about, not reality.

Indeed. And I like it when men look masculine. So I propose all space marines get abs indented onto their armour, and batnipple's like from that batman film.



......But that wouldn't be right, because that would make men feel uncomfortable, not women.

I think there is a lack of female-aimed models, because there is a lack of females in the hobby, namely, 2.5% of players are female. Most likely due to an abundance of the type who think girls should play with doll's, not wargames, and all that 50's crap. I'm not saying a majority of men in the hobby think like that, it's definitely a minority, but if more than 2.5% of the men in the hobby are like that, then women players are outnumbered in this hobby by those who would put them down for playing.

I'm sure we all know at least a couple of guy's like that, Most likely you know more guy's like that in the hobby than girls in general in the hobby. It's something I have definately noticed, and without my friend's with me at my local club, I -definately- wouldn't feel comfortable in the 40k community. I couldn't, for example, bring myself to go to a games workshop store to play a game, on my own. Because 9 times out of 10, there is at least one guy there out to make you feel uncomfortable. I think this is what repels women from the hobby more. It's not the setting, women like sci-fi too. It's the community.