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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 18:29:53
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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HQ
Vulkan
Troops
Tactical MM, Flamer, Combiflamer
5 Scouts Camo sniper
5 Scouts Camo sniper
Heavy
3x Stormravens PC MM Hurrican Bolters
Fast
3x Stormtalons 2 w/ missiles 1 stock
Elite
2x 5 TH/SS Terminators
Thoughts? I think the 6 flyers provide some great synergy with each other. The 2 TH/SS squads provide some great CC punch and the Tac squad in a raven provides late game objective grabbing. By no means unbeatable but I think this is a solid list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 18:34:50
Subject: Re:2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Raging Ravener
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Troop choices are weak. This would be an easily gimped army. It does have some fantastic damage output, on the other hand.
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5,500 18/4/2 w/l/d
2,000 2/1/0 w/l/d
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 18:42:11
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
Norway (Oslo)
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Many flyers or not, this can be easily countered by masses of footsloggin' like ork boyz army. objective games etc-
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Kaptin Goldteef's waagh! 16250 points 45/18/3 (W/L/D) 7th Ed
6250 points 9/3/1 (W/L/D) sixth-ed
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3400 points 19/6/0 (W/L/D) 8' armybook
Wood Elves 2600 points, 6/4/0 (W/L/D)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 18:51:52
Subject: Re:2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Why even use Vul'Kan the army doesn't get anything from him except a 2 flamers/1 mm and the termies. Also the army could be tabled before your fliers show up. If not all your troops will be dead at least by turn 1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:01:22
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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How do you intend to deploy your troops? Whats gonna be on the table? This list has some problems. If Vulkan goes in a raven than one squad of terms is gonna have to be deployed on the table. Is Vulkan gonna be sitting on the table turn one with a scout squad?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:26:20
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Deployment is fairly simple if you play with the correct amount of terrain, including some LoS blocking terrain.
2 scout squads deploy on the table with Vulkan in one, or 2 scout squads plus the Tac squad deploy. With the Camo cloaks, and again the right amount of terrain, the Scouts should survive easily enough. I currently play a flyer heavy Necron army so I know the procedures for this type of list to succeed inside and out.
Once the flyers are in Maximum Threat Overload will kick in, occupying my opponent long enough to keep the remaining troops safe. Conversely the Stormraven(s) could always pick up those units later in the game if need be.
It certainly has counters. Large footslogging armies will pose an issue and I need to look hard at that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:26:50
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Little low on starting bodies, isn't it? If you mount the Terminators, you're really vulnerable to a first round kill. If they're deployed, then they're doing the walk of shame and probably not contributing too much to the fight. If the Termies and Tac squad are in Ravens, you're starting w/ 2 deployed Scout squads. Even w/ Camo Cloaks, that seems a bit optimistic to hope for survival. Also, is Vulkan really helping out that much? The Ravens' multimeltas are already twin-linked, and TH/SS termies already crunch most stuff without mastercrafting.
How about:
Librarian
10x Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminators
3x 5 man Scouts (Raven-carried scoring units)
1x 5 man Sniper Scout w/ Cloaks (or Tactical squad) as backfield objective holder.
Aegis + CommRelay
3x StormTalons w/ Skyhammers
3x StormRavens w/ Plascannons, Multimeltas, and Hurricane Bolters
Deploy Librarian + Termie brick and have the Sniper Scouts man the CommRelay. Termies can either press forward, defend the Scouts, or combat squad as need be. Hold the line and wait for the Air Force to sweep in and murder everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:40:10
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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spmusubi wrote:Little low on starting bodies, isn't it? If you mount the Terminators, you're really vulnerable to a first round kill. If they're deployed, then they're doing the walk of shame and probably not contributing too much to the fight. If the Termies and Tac squad are in Ravens, you're starting w/ 2 deployed Scout squads. Even w/ Camo Cloaks, that seems a bit optimistic to hope for survival. Also, is Vulkan really helping out that much? The Ravens' multimeltas are already twin-linked, and TH/ SS termies already crunch most stuff without mastercrafting.
How about:
Librarian
10x Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminators
3x 5 man Scouts (Raven-carried scoring units)
1x 5 man Sniper Scout w/ Cloaks (or Tactical squad) as backfield objective holder.
Aegis + CommRelay
3x StormTalons w/ Skyhammers
3x StormRavens w/ Plascannons, Multimeltas, and Hurricane Bolters
Deploy Librarian + Termie brick and have the Sniper Scouts man the CommRelay. Termies can either press forward, defend the Scouts, or combat squad as need be. Hold the line and wait for the Air Force to sweep in and murder everything.
Ya. I like that better! I may have to try this list out for real. Makes me cringe to think of buying that many Stormravens though...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:43:17
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Beaver Dam, WI
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My thoughts would be to loosen up a little on the Storm Ravens and Storm Talos... Go with 2 of each.
To fit your theme how about a bit of alpha strike? Add a Drop Pod and Landspeeder Storm with MM.
Now expand your scouts. 5-man w Sgt w combi-melta. 2 more 5-man scout squads with sniper rifles.
Replace your terminators with combi-melta sternguard. 3 units.
Tactical to drop from storm raven as well as 2 sternguard. 1 Sternguard to drop in on drop pod. 3 5-man scout elements to defend and hold backline objects. 1 5-man scout and speeder storm to provide an alpha strike.
Then either Pedro or Vulkan... both provide you with benefits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:51:10
Subject: 2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice
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DAaddict wrote:My thoughts would be to loosen up a little on the Storm Ravens and Storm Talos... Go with 2 of each.
To fit your theme how about a bit of alpha strike? Add a Drop Pod and Landspeeder Storm with MM.
Now expand your scouts. 5-man w Sgt w combi-melta. 2 more 5-man scout squads with sniper rifles.
Replace your terminators with combi-melta sternguard. 3 units.
Tactical to drop from storm raven as well as 2 sternguard. 1 Sternguard to drop in on drop pod. 3 5-man scout elements to defend and hold backline objects. 1 5-man scout and speeder storm to provide an alpha strike.
Then either Pedro or Vulkan... both provide you with benefits.
Hmmm, provide a list?
Nit being lazy, I loaned my book out to my bro so I can't whip one up myself
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:54:45
Subject: Re:2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Are you going to bring this mess to the April tourney Overwatch?
I'll be at a friend's wedding but if you show up with half the imperial navy I'm sure i'll be able to hear the crying all the way across southern california
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40k Stats YTD -
W - more than i lose
L - less than i win
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/27 19:58:56
Subject: Re:2k Salamanders using new Flyer rules.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tuff Love wrote:Are you going to bring this mess to the April tourney Overwatch?
I'll be at a friend's wedding but if you show up with half the imperial navy I'm sure i'll be able to hear the crying all the way across southern california
Ha! No, April's tournament is 1500.
You know how I enjoy the tears of my enemies.
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