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Hi Dakka,

Just wanted to get clarification on the Deathwing assault rule. Can i start with 2 deathwing terminator squads to start on the table and have 1 deepstrike in on turn 1 and 2? Or do ALL the squads need to deepstrike?

Also, i'm pretty sure if they deepstrike they ALL need to deepstrike in on the same turn, but am i able to say, deepstrike 1 squad in on turn 1 and then deepstrike another 2 squads in turn 2?

All deathwing squads using the Deathwing Assault rule have to come in on the same turn. However you could drop 1 or 2 squads using DWA and leave other deathwing squads in normal reserve. Its less reliable and will dilute the firepower of an already small unit number force, but would give you a "mobile" reserve to call on later. Personally I think its better to bring them all in together for target saturation, rather than letting your opponent deal with your squads one at a time.

On your first point, you can start deathwing squads on the table, sure. They can deep strike, they don't have to.

This should probably be in YMDC, since it has to do with rules, not tactics.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

My tactic was going to be dropping a 10 man termie squad with belial behind enemy lines, then dropping a ven dread on the second turn to prevent scattering via belial's tele homer.

My other termie squads were going to start on the table and provide cover.

jaygonx wrote:
Okay, thanks for the clarification.

My tactic was going to be dropping a 10 man termie squad with belial behind enemy lines, then dropping a ven dread on the second turn to prevent scattering via belial's tele homer.

My other termie squads were going to start on the table and provide cover.

Do note, Teleport Homers only work for units in Terminator Armour.

The Dreadnought will still scatter.

You need a Locator Beacon (which can only be given to a Drop Pod) to bring in Drop Pods or Jump Infantry or Land Speeders etc. without scattering.

Drunkspleen, love your avatar.

So will the Locator Beacon allow Terminators to land without scattering?

Could run them with Belial and he and the unit he joins that has the inner circle rule gains the tactical precison rule (do not scatter).

As long as a vehicle with the locator beacon was on the table at the start of the turn and you deep strike within 6 inches then they shouldnt scatter. (if i read this correctly)

Locator Beacons work with any form of DS. Teleport Homers only work with Terminators who are "teleporting" into battle.

I almost always drop a drop pod with the locator beacon on my enemy's door step on turn 1. Some times it even has guys in it. The beacon allows for any turn 2+ terminators to land in the crowded enemy deployment zone with out issue. I also usually land belial and a single unit of 5-10 terminators on turn 1 using death wing assault . Most players try and run from that and a drop pod in the way is always good. The drop pod models are huge so a 45 point AV12 chunk of metal that blocks like of sight and closes off exit routs from a DZ is always worth it.

I don't have my codex on hand, but I'm pretty sure that Deathwing Terminators do NO have Deep Strike as a listed rule, only DWA
And DWA does NOT gives you the option to do anything else than a 1-turn DS on T1 or T2

So I think that you are "stuck" with DWA and don't get the option for a regular DS

TanKoL wrote:
I don't have my codex on hand, but I'm pretty sure that Deathwing Terminators do NO have Deep Strike as a listed rule, only DWA
And DWA does NOT gives you the option to do anything else than a 1-turn DS on T1 or T2

So I think that you are "stuck" with DWA and don't get the option for a regular DS

You'd be wrong. Look up the TDA rules.

Unless I'm mistaken, dreadnoughts don't have DWA - even venerable ones. So for starters, you'd have to put him in a pod. If you want him to come on after the Termies, you'll need at least one other pod. This could have its own locator beacon to prevent scatter, but to be honest, you don't really need it thanks to the pod having its own guidance.

Note that this means you'll have to roll for the pod to arrive as per normal reserves.

The drop pod rules are so benficial and the model so large that is there actually much benefit from using a locator beacon to bring them down? Deep striking assault squads and terminators, yes as there is enough danger from mis-dropping to make a difference. Drop pods? Not convinced its necessary.

Terminator Armour grants DS

 Flinty wrote:
All deathwing squads using the Deathwing Assault rule have to come in on the same turn. However you could drop 1 or 2 squads using DWA and leave other deathwing squads in normal reserve. Its less reliable and will dilute the firepower of an already small unit number force, but would give you a "mobile" reserve to call on later. Personally I think its better to bring them all in together for target saturation, rather than letting your opponent deal with your squads one at a time.

On your first point, you can start deathwing squads on the table, sure. They can deep strike, they don't have to.

Pg 44 of the DA codex explains DWA. After determining warlord traits, tell your opponent which units are using DWA and secretly mark whether they are coming in on turn 1 or turn 2. And then on that turn, they automatically arrive via deepstrike without requiring a reserve roll.

So you COULD just DS your DW terminators from normal reserve... but why would you WANT to? Thats a lot of points not in use sitting in reserve...

The only reason I can think of is to dorp more squads directly on Belial-s teleport homer... But I agree its not a very efficient use of points