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Ok first question... I was playing a GK player(part of my normal group) and I was locked in CC with his strike squad. Kharn was in a challenge with his justicar at the start of the next CC phase, Kharn killed him in the challenge he then claimed he could attack kharn with his 3 remaining strike squad(Halberds) since they werent able too attack anything.
I told him they cant since the Initiative step has passed... He thinks since he has attacked with them they can still attack him, I cant find anything else to clarify it better. What do you guys think?


Next question..Is the skull cannon a hull mounted weapon for firing arc purpose?

Nope the challenge is resolved separately and is treated as it's own little combat for all intents and purposes until the initiative hits 0.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Nope the challenge is resolved separately and is treated as it's own little combat for all intents and purposes until the initiative hits 0.

So they will be unable to hurt him after the challenge has been completed?

Until the start of the next turn, yes.

A Challenge continues until the end of the turn in which one of the participants dies. No one who isn't participating can attack either until the challenge ends. If one of the challengers kills the other at Initiative 10 no one, even if they haven't struck yet, can have a go at him until the next turn.

If a challenge participant dies, it can be helpful to lie the model down if one of them dies, to make it clear the challenge is ongoing until the end of the phase.

Well for some reason he wanted to put common sense into it, so he thinks that sense they did not attack they can now attack since he is no longer locked

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Well for some reason he wanted to put common sense into it, so he thinks that sense they did not attack they can now attack since he is no longer locked

Then he should read the challenge rules again.

And even so, the only way the Halberds can decide to strike at Kharn is if he was alone against them.

In any other case, if he is still in a squad, they can attack the squad, not Kharn specifically.

Now i don't now if in your game Kharn was alone or stille with his squad though.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

Next question..Is the skull cannon a hull mounted weapon for firing arc purpose?

It looks like a Turret Weapon more then a hull mounted.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

Next question..Is the skull cannon a hull mounted weapon for firing arc purpose?

It looks like a Turret Weapon more then a hull mounted.

It doesn't look like it can rotate at all, I'll have to go with Hull Mounted.

It is whatever the dark lances are on the dark eldar raiders. he gunner can not turn around 360 with the gun because of the standing. Instead it only has 90 ahead i think.

 Niiai wrote:
It is whatever the dark lances are on the dark eldar raiders. he gunner can not turn around 360 with the gun because of the standing. Instead it only has 90 ahead i think.

It's not the gunner that stops it rotating, look at the mounting here. It's simply not designed to rotate.

His unit was killed last turn, Kharn was in a challenge at the start of the turn, Killed the justicar in the same round. As soon as he was slain, He said his GK were allowed to attack him.

Well lucky you, he can't do that, if you whas in Challenge at the beginning of the assault phase, you are in it until the end of the phase, not the duel.

Also for the cannon, i think we might agree on a 45* aof?

Kharn: If they're in a challenge at the start of that round of combat, they can't attack or be attacked by anyone else in that round of combat. The other GKs have to wait until next round. The whole point of the challenge rules is that the leaders have called each other out and everyone else gives them space while the alpha dogs go at it, and the loser's squad may have to take a Morale test for having watched their champion get butchered. Could be worse; in WHFB there are (or used to be) Overkill wounds allowed, where you could rack up as many as five more wounds than the guy you killed in the challenge actually had, for purposes of combat resolution, representing a more thorough asswhupping being even more scary and likely to make the rest of his unit break. At least the Strikes are only taking that Morale test at -1.

Skullcannon: Looking at the model the gun does not seem to be intended to swivel. So it just gets the 45 degree virtual arc of fire of a hull mounted weapon.