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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 17:14:56
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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If the Pink Horrors suffer a double-1 or double-6 for the psychic test while there is a herald in the unit, does the herald take the perils wound? I'd argue he does, as he's a character in the unit. Might make it worth the 5pts to put an Iridescent horror in the unit o_O.
Also, does the whole unit count as firing a weapon? If the Iridescent horror rolls on the greater rewards table and get the lance weapon, can it shoot it while the pink horrors are firing off their witchfire power?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 18:18:18
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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It would depend if the herald was using the power or if the squad was using the power. If it was the herald then he would for sure take the test, if it was the squad it would either be the iridescent horror (if there is one) or just a random member of the squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 18:43:40
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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I would think the Herald wouldn't take the Perils as the Horrors can never use it's Leadership for their psychic tests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 19:39:40
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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A unit with this special rule counts as a Mastery Level 1 Psyker. The unit follows all the normal rules for Psykers, with the following clarifications : The unit uses the Leadership of its character, if there is one (and he is alive), or the unit, if there isn't a character (or he is dead), for Psychic tests. The unit can never use the leadership of an Independent Character for Psvchic tests. If the unit suffers the Perils of the Warp, or any other attack that specifically targets Psykers, it is resolved against the character, if there is one (and he is alive), or against a random, non-character model in the unit, if there is no character (or he is dead).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 19:53:46
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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Yep, the Brotherhood of Psykers rule. It does seem like the rule itself is confused on what a "character" is. As the IC is a character of the unit, but one that doesn't provide it's Ld for Psychic test.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 21:24:50
Subject: Re:Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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In context with the specific IC mention just before the Perils ruling, it's quite obvious that it's supposed to be referring to the unit's own character and not any attached ICs. If you want further clarification on this - the Perils can't apply to the IC unless it also has the Brotherhood of Psykers rule, since the rule doesn't transfer from the unit to the IC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 22:47:34
Subject: Re:Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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Super Ready wrote:In context with the specific IC mention just before the Perils ruling, it's quite obvious that it's supposed to be referring to the unit's own character and not any attached ICs. If you want further clarification on this - the Perils can't apply to the IC unless it also has the Brotherhood of Psykers rule, since the rule doesn't transfer from the unit to the IC.
Correct sir.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 00:57:04
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Exactly. The IC is never part of the Brotherhood of Sorcerers. If the squad with the Brotherhood rule (Horrors) has a character (the Iridescent Horror, if they paid for one and he hasn't been killed already), he gets the hit first. If not, it's a random non-character model in the unit.
The IC is never eligible to help the unit cast or to eat Perils or psyker-targeting hits which target the unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 04:30:34
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Lieutenant Colonel
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see above,
the unit of "brother hood of psyker" models will perils on its "seargent" character, then on its own models, never on an IC,
Perils happens to the model making the test,
in brother hood of psykers, its the unit, so the unit takes perils, which we are told to suffer on the units leader, or a random, non IC model as the BHOP rule specifies
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 04:34:23
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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loreweaver wrote:A unit with this special rule counts as a Mastery Level 1 Psyker. The unit follows all the normal rules for Psykers, with the following clarifications :
The unit uses the Leadership of its character, if there is one (and he is alive), or the unit, if there isn't a character (or he is dead), for Psychic tests. The unit can never use the leadership of an Independent Character for Psvchic tests.
If the unit suffers the Perils of the Warp, or any other attack that specifically targets Psykers, it is resolved against the character, if there is one (and he is alive), or against a random, non-character model in the unit, if there is no character (or he is dead).
Let me ask you a theoretical question:
If a unit with Brotherhood of Sorcerers could be joined by an IC that wasn't a psyker (just ignore whether or not it is possible in this particular case), would you still claim that the IC would get hit by a Perils attack on the unit?
If not, why would this change because the IC is a psyker?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/07 05:04:40
Subject: Pink Horrors + Herald vs Perils of the Warp
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Excellently answered.
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