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What is your stores (preferably GW stores) view on second hand models. In my store someone came in and started complaining about the prices. He was saying he could of got it second hand on ebay much cheaper, but the employee said that doing so is illigle. The man walked away, and got into a game. Next time the worker passed by the person got all smug about who he got his entire Ork army ( a good 1,500pts) for under 200 quid on Ebay. He then started comparing prices and saying GW was pricing its self into the stratosphere. When he finished ranting the staff then asked him to pack up, saying that the store doesn't allow second hand models. And he hadn't came back since, although i must feel sorry for the person he was playing, they where on turn 3 when his opponent was forced out. I find this rather dickish, are they allowed to do that?

Also i want to start a tyranid army, but i also want to do it through Ebay. There are no other gamesworkshops near me so i think he might find out they are second hand, how can i get around it? But more importantly, is buying second hand warhammer right?

I say too bad for GW, and kudos for anyone who tells the game shop that would ban them to feth off. It's the GW store's prerogative, seeing as their are only allowing you to play for free advertising for them, anyway. Not that it doesn't make them donkey-caves for doing it, though.

No matter how many times a model is sold second hand, GW has gotten their original cut from the sale from when it originally left their foundry. It's not like you are illegally recasting to keep GW out of the loop.

It's GW's problem for making a second-hand market viable, and for becoming so bad that they are in competition with a past-version of their own company. If a player can afford to resell, say, a squad of Eldar Guardians for less than the (current) market price, GW should be able to afford to do the same thing.

I think the banning of second-hand models is based entirely on the fact that it is a GW store, not a privately owned game shop. Those are two different animals.

My store doesn't care one way or the other. If I recall correctly, they will actually sell your stuff on consignment, even.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
What is your stores (preferably GW stores) view on second hand models.

Second hand models are fine.

In my store someone came in and started complaining about the prices. He was saying he could of got it second hand on ebay much cheaper

Sounds like he was looking for a fight, acting like a jackass. He's right though, ebay is cheaper.

but the employee said that doing so is illegal.

That's a flat out lie. In fact in the United Kingdom, preventing resale of physical goods is illegal. It's perfectly within your rights as a consumer to sell on what you own. Just like it's perfectly within your rights to buy from someone else, other than the original manufacturer.

When he finished ranting the staff then asked him to pack up

It's more likely they kicked him out because he was being an ass and making a disturbance. If he doesn't want to buy models from GW, that's fine, but shouting about it in a store is a childish thing to do. As it's a private business, they can kick you out for any reason they want, specifically in this case for being a douche.

is buying second hand warhammer right?

There's no reason to "get around it" it's not illegal, nor is it immoral. The person was just being a dick so they kicked him out. If they do find out they're second hand, I'd be surprised if they cared, as long as you're a regular, polite individual. Believe it or not, GW employees don't start investigations on where you got your models from.

The moral of the story is to keep quiet about where you got your models, if you are worried about being banned. Who are the staff at your local store, to say that you didn;t get your army direct from GW online?

Agree with everything Griddlelol posted.

There's nothing either illegal or immoral about secondhand goods. But only a jackass and an idiot goes into a business where they sell new goods, and starts telling the customers or potential customers that the prices are too high and they should buy secondhand instead. That's just asking to be thrown out of the store.

Nobody can prove they're second hand. If they think they can, they're an idiot.

If they start riding you, tell them they were bought at another store (what, they were)

Tabletop gaming is starting to get the same idiotic notions as the Video game industry, aka. "WHAT ARE THESE CONSUMERS DOING?!??! YOU CAN"T BUY OUR PRODUCTS FROM SOMEONE ELSE! THAT'S WRONG! YOU CAN ONLY BUY FROM US!"

I'm willing to bet 20 internets GW has already been trying to think of a way to make you sign an agreement that says you cannot buy 3rd party, secondhand, or through bulk sellers. As soon as their lawyers figure out they'll be on it in a heartbeat.

Also, it sounds like the guy who got thrown out rightly deserved it. Telling the truth may be one thing, but being a dick about it is entirely different. Maybe saying once "I don't know, I can't really afford that right now" is one thing, but actively going on about it, to the EMPLOYEES FACES, is begging to get kicked out. He was being a jerk and undermining a private business that he was standing in. They had every right to throw him out. I doubt they even really ban secondhand models, they probably just said that as an excuse to kick him out. EVERYBODY has secondhand models, that's a fact of life. My local GW was really cool about mine, since they're all older models. If they start getting upset, just mention you saved them from a hell of unthinned paints and elmer glue that the last owner put them through

I don't think they kicked him out for having a second hand army, but more likely because it's incredibly disruptive, not to mention counterproductive, to let a guy come into your store and proceed to tell everyone where they can get your products for cheaper.

Stands for practically every store or restaurant I can think of.

Rumour has it that GW are trying to prevent EBay from selling GW products second hand. I'm not sure of the legality of this but they can certainly block sales into and out of the EU as has happened over time with such items as designer jeans. The simple act of selling goods second hand is certainly not illegal. I'm with whoever said GW would make it so if they possibly could.

Just keep quiet about where you get your models. It's doubtful anyone will actually ask if you bought them discounted secondhand. If for some reason you are actually pressed, say GW direct. They can't prove you wrong.

I was asked some awkward questions about where i got some new models by my local store manager before.
I just said I ordered them online

In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

1. Who keeps the reciept for some models you brought 5 years ago?
2. What about presents someone gives you?

Sounds implausible.

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

This sounds highly implausable because I can't imagine anybody wanting to play at a store that anal about where models are bought from.

What do they do with guys who have extremely old armies, or just moved in town? Do you have to buy a whole new army just so you can play at that store?

I just can't see a store that even remotely enforced that policy staying in business very long.

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

I would just love to see your model transporter. Do you use receipts rather than foam?

I don't see how that store would survive. I wouldn't play there. I just bought those 3 Russian sister models for Inquisitors. They rule.

http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=117594

I have 10 of these and they are awsome use them as GK Psycannons.

http://bloodofkittens.com/wargaminghub/2013/01/21/trooper-antes-que-marine/

I think you have to go by Rule of cool.

Isengard wrote:
Rumour has it that GW are trying to prevent EBay from selling GW products second hand. I'm not sure of the legality of this but they can certainly block sales into and out of the EU as has happened over time with such items as designer jeans. The simple act of selling goods second hand is certainly not illegal. I'm with whoever said GW would make it so if they possibly could.

While it certainly wouldn't surprise me I also can't (and Obviously don't want to) see it happening.
I think the Designer jeans thing is more to do with copyright and counterfeit items than anything else. I keep getting asked if the item I am listing is genuine and it will be reviewed whenever I list an Ork Warboss simply because it has the word Boss in it.

There is a thing in all indi stockists agreement that they cannot sell new GW items on ebay so maybe that's where the rumor started?

Eitherway, Moral of the story is, buy what you like from where you like. But don't be a dick about it!

A few people keep saying GW is a private business. They are not. They are a publicly Traded Company. They are NOT private at all.

I agree, the person who got kicked out was being a dick. He deserved to be kicked out.

show me a law in any country that says you cannot resell anything you bought with a physical property. Only reason people dont resell PC games is because the CD Key usually prevents multiple computers from having the game so its much harder to pirate (well, without knowing what youre doing). Aside from that everyone resells things.

Theres no way in hell 2nd hand models is illegal.

 Mythra wrote:

http://bloodofkittens.com/wargaminghub/2013/01/21/trooper-antes-que-marine/

What is this? Is it an old GW model? Looks like the upcoming FW Thallax.

(EDIT: Ah, figured it out. Old Citadel limited edition marine, right? Was there ever more like it?)

I understand buying second hand models in a lot, if you're looking to start up a new army. But at some point, you have to pay where you play, or you won't have anywhere left TO play. Now, if you live in the boonies, and don't have a nice place to play, then by all means by your models online. But not patronizing the store that provides you a free place to play is kind of a leech-y, wastoid thing to do. And I'm sure there are people out there who feel totally justified about their second hand models because they support their local store with a Yu-Gi-Oh habit that rivals the money Kirstie Alley spent on coke in the 80's, or some such other reason, and that's okay too. The bottom line is that it's between you and your own conscience. If, however, your conscience doesn't have anything to say about you playing at a local store without supporthing them in any way, then I would rather not play with you, I think.

As to your specific story, I think the guy in question was spoiling for a fight, and I think the guy behind the counter was all too willing to give it to him. I'd have thrown him out too, though.

If people question where you got your models from, tell them that they are actually Guardsmen/Astartes/Eldar that was transformed by Tzeentch into 28mm table top miniatures.

In all seriousness, businesses have a right to refuse service. If someone came into your home saying "You suck!" over and over again, I'm sure you'd want him gone too.

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

Sounds like it's run by the kind of morons who keep on charging full price straight through the 'going-out-of-business sale.'

I would pat that guy on back and tell him damn good job. Second hand models follow all of the actual rules for tournament play since they are of original GW manufacture. As one post stated it must be the policy of that one GW store, most, local gaming stores are happy to just have people willing to spend hours inside their store. I know one of my 2 local stores actually will sell your models for you on commission.

Yea because they know if you are chilling in their stores you might go "Oh i need more of these guys" and lo n behold right behind that guy are the models he wanted.
If i ever ran a store for a miniatures game i'd make damn sure i had plenty of gaming room available.

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

That is strait rediculous. My buddy has rogue trader era models (hell one of his armys is almost nothing but). How is he to present a reciept from, what 30 years ago?!?

My FLGS often hosts national qualifiers and has in the past, that in turn draws a lot of gaming attention our way. My tournament today had players driving a long ways (even though they had local stores to play at) to participate. It would have been sad if we turned them away at the door because they didn't have a reciept saying they bought their army from us.

Odd how I'm hearing stores go this far when my TO pointed out that since GW no longer supports our tournaments, Its no longer required to obey GW's 75% rule. Even then, it hasnt hurt our LGS' sales any. If nothing else the player in tourney today that we let use proxies walked out the store with more stuff.

Paitryn wrote:

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

That is strait rediculous. My buddy has rogue trader era models (hell one of his armys is almost nothing but). How is he to present a reciept from, what 30 years ago?!?

My FLGS often hosts national qualifiers and has in the past, that in turn draws a lot of gaming attention our way. My tournament today had players driving a long ways (even though they had local stores to play at) to participate. It would have been sad if we turned them away at the door because they didn't have a reciept saying they bought their army from us.

Odd how I'm hearing stores go this far when my TO pointed out that since GW no longer supports our tournaments, Its no longer required to obey GW's 75% rule. Even then, it hasnt hurt our LGS' sales any. If nothing else the player in tourney today that we let use proxies walked out the store with more stuff.

This, many stores I know are giving the finger to GW and allowing mostly or even entirely 3rd party armies.

As for the "requiring a receipt to play". It's gotta be a troll. It's the only logical explanation. The alternative just hurts my brain too much for it to be otherwise...

That is a an LE10 Space Marine. Limited Edition very old.

Paitryn wrote:

horusborus wrote:
In the store I play at, you have to present the staff with a reciept showing that you bought from the store, if you can't then you get kicked out

That is strait rediculous. My buddy has rogue trader era models (hell one of his armys is almost nothing but). How is he to present a reciept from, what 30 years ago?!?

Of course it's ridiculous, because it's a blatant lie. They've been posting stupid threads all day, like this one: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/513165.page