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I'm thinking about making a counts-as-FOR Chaos temple with a pulpit for Dark Apostle sermons. I can see how fire points work, but I'm not sure where the rules for bubble buffs and similar effects are written.

P93, from memory, if you look under Embarking and embarked units it tells you that, if you need to measure the distance involving an embarked unit, to measure to the hull of the vehicle

You are then told to treat buildings as essentially immobile vehicles, so you can use the same rule here.

It is in the FAQ

Qo embarked passengers with ‘area ofeffect’wargear,such
as the Big Mek’s Kustom Force Field,measure the range ofsuch
items from the hull of the transport they are embarked upon?
(p78)
A: Yes

It is also in the rules....

Right. So, if my DA is inside one of the four parts of a FOR, his LD10 bubble is 6 inches from the building's entire footprint; but if he joins a unit on top of the main tower, his bubble is measured from him and logically won't reach the floor?

Since I don't see fire points on the main tower, I guess my best bet is to make some kind of pulpit that's largely internal with all megaphones on the outside, so he can hide in there and make the Cultist bubblewrap LD10 as they screen against DS melta shenanigans. He can sit in there with some kind of elite shock troops to catch falling masonry for him and sally forth if the Cultists get into trouble. And have Havocs and CSM troops sat on and in the bunkers providing the dakka.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is also in the rules....

Anyone got a page ref?

 lindsay40k wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is also in the rules....

Anyone got a page ref?

BRB page 78 wrote:If the players need to measure a range involving the embarked unit (except for its shooting), this range is measured to or from the vehicle's hull.

Ta

 lindsay40k wrote:
Right. So, if my DA is inside one of the four parts of a FOR, his LD10 bubble is 6 inches from the building's entire footprint; but if he joins a unit on top of the main tower, his bubble is measured from him and logically won't reach the floor?

Since I don't see fire points on the main tower, I guess my best bet is to make some kind of pulpit that's largely internal with all megaphones on the outside, so he can hide in there and make the Cultist bubblewrap LD10 as they screen against DS melta shenanigans. He can sit in there with some kind of elite shock troops to catch falling masonry for him and sally forth if the Cultists get into trouble. And have Havocs and CSM troops sat on and in the bunkers providing the dakka.

The Fortress of Redemption is a Multiple Part Building (pg 117 of the rulebook and then pg 92 of the rulebook for the rules on Multi-part buildings), which effectively means that it is treated like a few separate buildings all put together. So for a unit that is inside one section of the FoR, you would measure any effects only from the edge of that particular building section, not from the entire FoR as a whole.

Just a note given the list of effects in the title of the thread.

Novas are a form of Witchfire attack, as such, they don't measure from the hull of a vehicle/building, but rather, from a firepoint being used to fire them.

 yakface wrote:

 lindsay40k wrote:
Right. So, if my DA is inside one of the four parts of a FOR, his LD10 bubble is 6 inches from the building's entire footprint; but if he joins a unit on top of the main tower, his bubble is measured from him and logically won't reach the floor?

Since I don't see fire points on the main tower, I guess my best bet is to make some kind of pulpit that's largely internal with all megaphones on the outside, so he can hide in there and make the Cultist bubblewrap LD10 as they screen against DS melta shenanigans. He can sit in there with some kind of elite shock troops to catch falling masonry for him and sally forth if the Cultists get into trouble. And have Havocs and CSM troops sat on and in the bunkers providing the dakka.

The Fortress of Redemption is a Multiple Part Building (pg 117 of the rulebook and then pg 92 of the rulebook for the rules on Multi-part buildings), which effectively means that it is treated like a few separate buildings all put together. So for a unit that is inside one section of the FoR, you would measure any effects only from the edge of that particular building section, not from the entire FoR as a whole.

Yes, I was thinking of just the large tower itself, and not the entire fortress. Could've chosen my words better!


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 Drunkspleen wrote:
Just a note given the list of effects in the title of the thread.

Novas are a form of Witchfire attack, as such, they don't measure from the hull of a vehicle/building, but rather, from a firepoint being used to fire them.

Good catch, not related to my quandary but definitely worth bringing up for anyone else lurking and getting ideas about forting up.

This does mean that novae (and, presumably, maelstroms), behave markedly different to other areas of effect originating from someone in a building. And it's an odd way for a thing to happen, popping out of a vision slit and then zooming round in a sphere around that opening. Is there a page or FAQ ref specifically confirming that novae behave in this way?

 lindsay40k wrote:
Good catch, not related to my quandary but definitely worth bringing up for anyone else lurking and getting ideas about forting up.

This does mean that novae (and, presumably, maelstroms), behave markedly different to other areas of effect originating from someone in a building. And it's an odd way for a thing to happen, popping out of a vision slit and then zooming round in a sphere around that opening. Is there a page or FAQ ref specifically confirming that novae behave in this way?

There's no rule specifically dealing with a Nova or Maelstrom fired from inside a vehicle so you just fall back onto the default Witchfire ones in conjunction with the fire point rules which tell you to measure from the fire point itself for the shooting attack.

If embarked you use the hull of the vehicle to measure from, and you treat buildings like immobile vehicles, so use their walls to measure from.