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2013/03/15 18:38:19
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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The changes made in the recently released February 2013 FAQ included that the "Strength X" value would be replaced with "Strength 1" in the profiles of applicable Codex Space Marine units. This will apply to Sternguard Veterans universally!
How will this change the game? Why did they change it?
And does the poisoned (2+) still apply for wounding targets or will it be carried out differently during gameplay?
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2013/03/15 18:52:15
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 JayPitty wrote:The changes made in the recently released February 2013 FAQ included that the "Strength X" value would be replaced with "Strength 1" in the profiles of applicable Codex Space Marine units. This will apply to Sternguard Veterans universally!
How will this change the game? Why did they change it?
And does the poisoned (2+) still apply for wounding targets or will it be carried out differently during gameplay?
Poisoned will still work, but to units who are immune to poison, they will take a strength 1 hit, rather than no hit.
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2013/03/15 18:56:13
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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They would still wound on whatever the weapon description says. The strength value is for working out damage against vehicles. So if you shot at anything with an armour value, it would count as strength 1.
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2013/03/15 19:18:47
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Furthermore, if you shot at a majority T1 unit, you would also get to re-roll to wound.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2013/03/15 21:50:55
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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2013/03/15 21:51:59
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Che-Vito wrote: Happyjew wrote:Furthermore, if you shot at a majority T1 unit, you would also get to re-roll to wound.
S1 wounds T1 on a 4+, so no reroll.
Re-read the rules for Poison.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2013/03/15 21:55:37
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Technically that only applies in CC, as it makes no mention of that in the section on shooting attacks by poisoned weapons.
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2013/03/15 22:00:37
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Is it? I'm away from books right now and thought that it said something like if the strength of the wielder (or weapon) was equal to or higher than enemy Toughness you could re-roll.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2013/03/15 22:20:27
Subject: Re:On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Just checked it - it's close combat only. Page 40. The rule is split between how it effects shooting weapons and close combat attacks, so the effects are quite clear. It says "weapon" so that there's no distinction between whether the close combat attack comes from the model or its wargear.
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2013/03/15 22:23:15
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Ah. My bad. Apologies for the confusion (if any).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/03/16 05:12:11
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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2013/03/16 07:17:09
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Che-Vito wrote: Happyjew wrote:Is it? I'm away from books right now and thought that it said something like if the strength of the wielder (or weapon) was equal to or higher than enemy Toughness you could re-roll.
IIRC, it's only rerollable if the "to-wound" roll is that same with the users strength, as it is with the poison. So you'll commonly see S4 with 4+ Poison, getting a reroll versus <T5.
So against T1, you'd need S3 with 2+ Poison to get a reroll.
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Re-read the rules for poison. Your take on it is wrong.
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2013/03/16 07:59:11
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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2013/03/16 08:12:39
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Che-Vito wrote:jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote: Che-Vito wrote: Happyjew wrote:Is it? I'm away from books right now and thought that it said something like if the strength of the wielder (or weapon) was equal to or higher than enemy Toughness you could re-roll.
IIRC, it's only rerollable if the "to-wound" roll is that same with the users strength, as it is with the poison. So you'll commonly see S4 with 4+ Poison, getting a reroll versus <T5.
So against T1, you'd need S3 with 2+ Poison to get a reroll.
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Re-read the rules for poison. Your take on it is wrong.
This isn't specifically directed at you, but I have noticed a trend on Dakka lately, to simply post: "Reread the rules."
Normally, I'd be more than happy to, but there are times that a rulebook isn't handy or available.
Would it kill people (again, not you specifically.) to explain the rule in a sentence or two, without bothering to post the entire section that they are referencing?
I'd like to be able to continue to engage in a discussion without waiting until a shift is over.
Teach a man to fish...
Also get back to work 
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2013/03/16 11:43:39
Subject: Re:On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Spawn of Chaos
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Well I got my rulebook right here...
it says...
"If the strength of the weilder (or the poisoned weapon) is the same or higher than the toughness of the victim, then weilder must re-roll failed rolls to wound in close combat."
So S1 (poisoned) would reroll against T1. Dont know of many T1 models that you can get into close combat with though...
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2013/03/16 16:57:33
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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It can happens vs psyick strong armies with biomancy. Daemons and nids.
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2013/03/17 09:39:20
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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2013/03/17 10:22:14
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I would like to point out (although it is irrelevant to the question) the change from Str X to Str 1 was made before January of last year. It has been Str 1 since 5th edition.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/03/17 10:24:45
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Happyjew wrote:I would like to point out (although it is irrelevant to the question) the change from Str X to Str 1 was made before January of last year. It has been Str 1 since 5th edition.
Yeah when I first saw the title I though it was going to be a question regarding the new range and wound allocation FAQ with the varying ranges of the special ammo.
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2013/03/17 13:23:59
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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JayPitty wrote:The changes made in the recently released February 2013 FAQ included that the "Strength X" value would be replaced with "Strength 1" in the profiles of applicable Codex Space Marine units. This will apply to Sternguard Veterans universally!
How will this change the game? Why did they change it?
And does the poisoned (2+) still apply for wounding targets or will it be carried out differently during gameplay?
This has been an errata for a millennia or more.
It has no impact on gameplay.
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2013/03/18 01:44:35
Subject: On Hellfire Rounds and the Feb. FAQ...
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
Illinois
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I'm a newb. 
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