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Hi.

i just ordered 10 scout marines and was thinking about giving them shotguns.
but, i mostly i have to fight orks,guards,necrons and sometimes tyranids.
Thinking about other weaponry for cheap firepower.
so anything to suggest ?

Well:

BP & CCW: Only a 12" range but +1 attacks in CC. The problem with these is the majority of your attacks will be WS 4 so they are going to hit on 3s while you hit on 4s...

Shotgun: Only a 12" range but 2 shots!!! Great for outflankers. Still can charge if you want to.

Boltgun: Good option 12" 2 shots and 24" 1 shot. Good outflankers but you are not going to charge anything.

Sniper Rifle: Can pick off anything but lowest damage output. They can target and kill anything but it is only on a 6 to hit and a 6 to wound roll... So 1 out of 36 shots... nothing to count on.

I think it comes down to Boltguns and shotguns and it really comes down to do you want to shoot only or have the option to charge?

What army do you play? Not all scouts are created equal. This advice is from a C:SM POV.

If I'm planning on outflanking a scout squad to harass back field campers, I like a mix of CCW and shotgun scouts. They get all sorts of movement based special rules to get where they need to be. Because they are a little lackluster in close combat, I like the extra burst of fire the shotguns give when charging in. Plus they look cool.

I generally have plenty of bolters in my army. While they do work well on scouts, I like the other options, just for varity.

Snipers are the go-to weapons for a reason. But if you aren't camping an objective, I'd mix things up.

thanks for the quick reply's
i field a black templar/regular marine mixup army
(the idea of putting scouts and marines in the same unit doesn't fit me ) i was thinking to outflank them and try to get some backfield support down (lootas,heavy bolters/mortars etc..)

Get your hands on a combi-melta or combi-flamer for the sergeant. It really enhances the units abilities.

A little recap ,those are bolters with a melta/flamer undermounted yes ? and are these included in the box ?

Sadly no... as far as I know, there are 3 sources...
The SM Commander gives you one of each.
The CSM terminators give you meltas and flamers for termies.
The Sternguard upgrade pack gives you multiples in finecrap.

So other than buying them list, you have two optioins. Buy them off of Ebay bits sellers or get the Sternguard upgrade pack.

I just make them by filing opposing sides of a Flamer and a Bolter and then glue them together, cutting off the handles.

ok, normally i have a flamer or so lying aroud this wouldn't be a problem !

The topic of how to make and/or get combi weapons come up a lot, often in conjunction with sternguard. Some searches of the forums should yield a lot of good advice, particularly in the P&M section.

 Nevelon wrote:
The topic of how to make and/or get combi weapons come up a lot, often in conjunction with sternguard. Some searches of the forums should yield a lot of good advice, particularly in the P&M section.

I higly reccomend chapterhouse's combiweapon set. its 5 bucks each but pewter set comes with one bolter underbottom with plasma, melta, flamer, and gernade launcher (not 40k) and mini magnets for all of it. THat way when you use the one combi shot you can take off hte extra part. I've had good success with them.

And that is from forgeworld or something ?


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i just looked them up. A bit expensive for 1 gun and shipping

There is a reason combi-weapon options are discussed a lot. You can buy cool 3rd party bits, but it gets expensive, or make your own, which is harder and often doesn't look good. Or you can get the GW parts, which only come in certain kits, or the sternguard pack, which most people think looks bad.

Lots of options, none of which are perfect.

As for the shotguns, I wouldn't bother. I've said this before: only advantage the shotgun offers over a bolter is that you can assault after firing it. But if you're going to assault, pistol and CCW is easily the better option most of the time. If your scouts' average lifespan is more than one close combat phase (and I find it usually clearly is), then two weapons is the way to go.

I run scouts, and having tried various loadouts, settled on sniper rifles as the best bet. As has been said, if you want to go CC, then go with the bolt pistol and knife. Still, I think you would be better served by the snipers, who got a much needed boost to their utility in 6th edition.

I have 5 snipers running at the minute, my regular scouts would be outflanking heavy guns, so shooting and assaulting would be handy .

 INFECTEDvoltage wrote:
And that is from forgeworld or something ?


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i just looked them up. A bit expensive for 1 gun and shipping

Yeah, I wouldn't get just one, I always order at least 10 so it makes it worth while.

Ten is a lot of guns there. i only need one so i'll stick to converting.

I played a scout army in 5th, and have a handful of shotgun scouts. They're worthless now. Take the bolters! You're gonna get more range, and against some of your opponents the AP will do something useful.

It's almost hilarious when scouts show up on a table edge, unload a volley from a shotgun, and nothing happens. I mean, it's a shotgun, dammit.

Take their advice and go with the combi-weapons.

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UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
It's almost hilarious when scouts show up on a table edge, unload a volley from a shotgun, and nothing happens. I mean, it's a shotgun, dammit.

Aaaand then look at his ranking.

I would recommend that you give your scouts in the front of the blob shotguns.

You will get more shots initially, the shotguns will take the overwatch shots first and be removed from base-to-base first when wounds are allocated, offering survivability to the CCW scouts in the rear.

Some advantages shotguns have:

You get your hits in in the shooting phase, not CC. If you are charging something with the same or higher initiative, this can be a big deal.

If you get charged, you get more shots on overwatch.

You don't have to assault to still contribute. Once you get to your objective, you want to camp. Charging into CC with somebody might get you off of it.

They keep you options open. BP/CCW are better for CC, Bolters/snipers are better for shooting. Shotguns are kinda "Meh" at both, but don't restrict your options. In a TAC list, that's something we look for.

They look cool.

If using a LSS you can either flit about and do drive by shootings, or assault out of it (it's open topped) Shotguns work well here.

 INFECTEDvoltage wrote:

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
It's almost hilarious when scouts show up on a table edge, unload a volley from a shotgun, and nothing happens. I mean, it's a shotgun, dammit.

Aaaand then look at his ranking.

hahahahaha! that is pretty awesome, nice catch.

thanks man , but still no offence !


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i think i'll stay with the shotguns,if they don't work out i will make it an good 'ol count as bolter,bp/ccw. they look great also.

If your slight interested in playing Dark Angel scouts, then totally go bolter. It works out really well to field a unit of scout forward oposite of a good botler target. Take your Libby and ravenwing bike command squad with banner of deve and scout them forward with the libby within 12" and banner within 6" of the scouts. Cast prescience on the scouts, and they will add a butt load of rerollable shots along with any units of bikers you brought. Best part is that you can afford to just turbo boost the cmdr sqaud with libby, and bring a darkshroud near them and the scouts for some really awesome cover saves.

This is a nice setup because it's hard for your opponent to counter the setup because you setup the scouts afterwards, where as a unit of tactical marines couldn't pull off the same trick since they have to move to get within 24" for bolter shots on turn one.

Just an idea from a DA player.

looks like a smart tactic but i'm a BT player, sooo... no libby for me! :(

Oh, BT only.....um the only option would be BP and CC imo. Can't cut the head off the witches of the universe with a shotgun.

That is true,i just have to experiment with some of the weapons. i'll get myself out of this problem

 INFECTEDvoltage wrote:

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
It's almost hilarious when scouts show up on a table edge, unload a volley from a shotgun, and nothing happens. I mean, it's a shotgun, dammit.

Aaaand then look at his ranking.

Hahahah made my night.

But I do have scouts with shotgun models and I still use them. A situation that calls for a shotgun volley and then a charge happens a tiny bit more often than you may think.

You can always mix it up too, giving some guys a shotgun for the punch before the assault, and some BP/CCW for punch during the assault. Always depends on the unit you're fighting.