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Hey, I just wanted to ask advice for a small IG army that I would like to make.

There's a box of 5 Imperial Guard Cadians which I figured would be a great start to the army as a whole.

I'll probably buy the codex with these guys so I can have a good read and figure out what I want to do and I love a good codex.

Thing is, I want to take this slow since I'm getting a puppy tomorrow and it might be hard to order these guys until Monday.

I wanted to get an Imperial Guard Sentinel since I loved painting my Helbrute. I was thinking about plonking a flamer on it?

What would you guys advise? I'm walking into this completely blind since I've never tried IG but I've wanted to forever since they seem really fun to play.

I know getting a tank would be a must and I'm pretty fond of the snipers.

First, get the codex before you buy anything. Buying random stuff without carefully reading the codex is a good way to throw away money.

There's a box of 5 Imperial Guard Cadians which I figured would be a great start to the army as a whole.

Don't bother with these. They're single-pose models with no upgrade options, and IG units are almost all ten-man squads so you're barely getting half a unit from that box.

I wanted to get an Imperial Guard Sentinel since I loved painting my Helbrute. I was thinking about plonking a flamer on it?

Sentinels are terrible. Sentinels with flamers on them are even worse. They cost way too many points for the firepower they bring, they die way too quickly, and they take up the same slot as the Vendetta, the best (and mandatory) unit in the codex.

I know getting a tank would be a must and I'm pretty fond of the snipers.

Tanks are good, especially when you bring 5+ of them. Snipers, on the other hand, are terrible and should never be used.

About the box of five Cadians-while it's true that they are single-pose models, IMO they are great if you need only guys with lasguns and just cheap dudes and don't mind the repeating poses

 Peregrine wrote:




Sentinels are terrible. Sentinels with flamers on them are even worse. They cost way too many points for the firepower they bring, they die way too quickly, and they take up the same slot as the Vendetta, the best (and mandatory) unit in the codex.

Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

My first bit of advice would be to get the Codex. Hammer out a list and post it here for criticism.

Sentinels are a sub-optimal choice, but if you are going to run them, lascannons on scouts is considered the best way to go.

Tanks are awesome and sniper rifles are terrible.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

Yeah, you're always free to choose to have less of a chance of winning. That doesn't change the fact that spamming Vendettas is how you win with IG, and it's important for new players to get accurate advice about how effective (or not effective) units are.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

Yeah, you're always free to choose to have less of a chance of winning. That doesn't change the fact that spamming Vendettas is how you win with IG, and it's important for new players to get accurate advice about how effective (or not effective) units are.

Funny, I don't run a single Vendetta and I win just fine. Imagine that.

Well Grunt has the general idea... get the codex first and make a list.. like tanks? Go mech! Vendettas are AMAZING right now and will be until the next guard codex probably, most people include them and are considered a must take by some thus explaining peregrine's rabidness towards them however if fielding fliers is not your style we will (most of us anyways) understand and there are definitely other options to be had

 Peregrine wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

Yeah, you're always free to choose to have less of a chance of winning. That doesn't change the fact that spamming Vendettas is how you win with IG, and it's important for new players to get accurate advice about how effective (or not effective) units are.

Sounds like you're more into playing the system rather than playing the game. If everyone picked the cheesiest allegedly most optimal force the game would be plain boring. What is the point in having a codex if we're only allowed one unit because everything else blows in your opinion?

foxyfennec wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

Yeah, you're always free to choose to have less of a chance of winning. That doesn't change the fact that spamming Vendettas is how you win with IG, and it's important for new players to get accurate advice about how effective (or not effective) units are.

Sounds like you're more into playing the system rather than playing the game. If everyone picked the cheesiest allegedly most optimal force the game would be plain boring. What is the point in having a codex if we're only allowed one unit because everything else blows in your opinion?

I feel you. The game runs on a system though, and people play to that system to play the game. "If everyone picked the cheesiest allegedly most optimal force the game.." Is kind of how it works unfortunately. The more you deviate, the less success you'll have vs somebody who plays to the game system more advantageously. When this is done exponentially throughout the community it creates a meta, where to play competitively to a certain standard you need to match the capabilities of your opponents best units and strategies with your own. In this regard, taking the best units out of your codex.

Vendettas are not a win button, you won't lose for excluding them. However they are very good and chosen for a reason. If you look at "net lists" for most of the armies around, you'll find that most units follow similar builds.
People know what works and what doesn't. Play around with it though. See what works for you, and with your local community.

People may be more or less geared towards this competitive meta. How you play it is up to you. Remember that its just a game.
If you can have fun while losing, then everybody wins. Winning can feel good but its not imperative in a game of toy soldiers , unless you have low self esteem or an addictive/obsessive personality.

Anyways. TL;DR. Do a lot of research before you spend a single dollar. When you're done researching, research more. When you do buy in, if you do, keep your investment small, then go from there.

Once you get the codex decide if you want to go mech, foot, or aircav. That way you can focus on getting a cohesive army together.

CaseyColt wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
Oh don't mind Peregrine, he is Dakka's resident Vendetta nut. Vendettas are awesome, but if you don't want to run them, you don't have to.

Yeah, you're always free to choose to have less of a chance of winning. That doesn't change the fact that spamming Vendettas is how you win with IG, and it's important for new players to get accurate advice about how effective (or not effective) units are.

Sounds like you're more into playing the system rather than playing the game. If everyone picked the cheesiest allegedly most optimal force the game would be plain boring. What is the point in having a codex if we're only allowed one unit because everything else blows in your opinion?

I feel you. The game runs on a system though, and people play to that system to play the game. "If everyone picked the cheesiest allegedly most optimal force the game.." Is kind of how it works unfortunately. The more you deviate, the less success you'll have vs somebody who plays to the game system more advantageously. When this is done exponentially throughout the community it creates a meta, where to play competitively to a certain standard you need to match the capabilities of your opponents best units and strategies with your own. In this regard, taking the best units out of your codex.

Vendettas are not a win button, you won't lose for excluding them. However they are very good and chosen for a reason. If you look at "net lists" for most of the armies around, you'll find that most units follow similar builds.
People know what works and what doesn't. Play around with it though. See what works for you, and with your local community.

People may be more or less geared towards this competitive meta. How you play it is up to you. Remember that its just a game.
If you can have fun while losing, then everybody wins. Winning can feel good but its not imperative in a game of toy soldiers , unless you have low self esteem or an addictive/obsessive personality.

Anyways. TL;DR. Do a lot of research before you spend a single dollar. When you're done researching, research more. When you do buy in, if you do, keep your investment small, then go from there.

The way I do Warhammer 40k is I play to win (as in, in a game I will do what I can with what I've got) but I build my army based on what I like the look of and what I can afford. I don't like the idea of a meta where you have to have x y z. I know that's the best way if I reeeally want to win as many games as possible, but I prefer just having a bunch of cool units I like and painted. I do understand there are ways to increase your chance of winning but what is more important? It's up to the individual I would enjoy playing against someone who picked the units they preferred the look of and stuff than someone who was just thinking in their head "lol I totally picked the best possible units to cream your ass". lol. Too competitive for me

I prefer the freedom of building my army to my own tastes rather than feeling like I have to have certain things or I will lose. I kind of only play on small tables though usually little games with 4x4 tables so it feels too small to have flyers involved.

I guess my Lord Commissar is posted on some backwater world the Imperium doesn't really care about. He wants Vendettas truly he does, but they just won't send them to him so he has to make do with mass guard and stormtroopers. Poor guy (I am the Imperium mwahahaha!)

Maybe if he fights a force with 9 flyers and gets wiped out the Imperium might start to listen to his cries and supply him with some, or with 3 hydras!

Related to the topic.. do Stormtroopers kind of suck now? 9" range rapid fire on their hotshots seems so low. Any ideas for IG to more effectively use Stormtroopers now?

foxyfennec wrote:

The way I do Warhammer 40k is I play to win (as in, in a game I will do what I can with what I've got) but I build my army based on what I like the look of and what I can afford. I don't like the idea of a meta where you have to have x y z. I know that's the best way if I reeeally want to win as many games as possible, but I prefer just having a bunch of cool units I like and painted. I do understand there are ways to increase your chance of winning but what is more important? It's up to the individual I would enjoy playing against someone who picked the units they preferred the look of and stuff than someone who was just thinking in their head "lol I totally picked the best possible units to cream your ass". lol. Too competitive for me

Related to the topic.. do Stormtroopers kind of suck now? 9" range rapid fire on their hotshots seems so low. Any ideas for IG to more effectively use Stormtroopers now?

Well said, and welcome to the losers circle! Just kidding...
I like playing off the wall lists, mostly so my opponent has no crutch to claim when I beat them. Dude, anyone can win with vendettas, but I just schooled you with ratlings and Sentinels!

I like my storm troopers with 2 plasma guns, and sarg has a pair of plasma pistols.
6 S7 AP2 shots, 2 of which could precise strike. @135 points it is kind of pricy, but deep strike a pair of those units and you can make a big dent in an elite unit, anywhere on the table.
If the hotshot lasguns have every done anything, I don't remember it. It's all about the plasma.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:

The way I do Warhammer 40k is I play to win (as in, in a game I will do what I can with what I've got) but I build my army based on what I like the look of and what I can afford. I don't like the idea of a meta where you have to have x y z. I know that's the best way if I reeeally want to win as many games as possible, but I prefer just having a bunch of cool units I like and painted. I do understand there are ways to increase your chance of winning but what is more important? It's up to the individual I would enjoy playing against someone who picked the units they preferred the look of and stuff than someone who was just thinking in their head "lol I totally picked the best possible units to cream your ass". lol. Too competitive for me

Related to the topic.. do Stormtroopers kind of suck now? 9" range rapid fire on their hotshots seems so low. Any ideas for IG to more effectively use Stormtroopers now?

Well said, and welcome to the losers circle! Just kidding...
I like playing off the wall lists, mostly so my opponent has no crutch to claim when I beat them. Dude, anyone can win with vendettas, but I just schooled you with ratlings and Sentinels!

I like my storm troopers with 2 plasma guns, and sarg has a pair of plasma pistols.
6 S7 AP2 shots, 2 of which could precise strike. @135 points it is kind of pricy, but deep strike a pair of those units and you can make a big dent in an elite unit, anywhere on the table.
If the hotshot lasguns have every done anything, I don't remember it. It's all about the plasma.

-Matt

Yeah I love plasmas I have to buy 2 more kasrkin plasmas so I can have a kasrkin veteran grenadier squad with 3 plasmaguns, and 3 more stormtrooper plasmas for my 2 stormtrooper squads to have 4. I just like having that blue glow in my force.. the fact that plasma guns rock is a bonus!

Yeah, get the Codex first. I will assume you have the base rule book already.

As for Karskin, yeah, plasma can work well. A lot of folk also like 'suicide' Melta squads of 5 guys and two melta guns to drop right next to a vehicle and blow it up. A lot of folk just like the minies and even use them as Grenadier Vets. If you got a pretty penny to drop, check this out. Forge World makes a Vendetta upgrade kit (Forge World also has a lot of nice models/figs as well), but a lot of folk just use extra lascannons from Heavy weapon squads. If your going to get bits, get them in the next month or so due to the new GW bitz policy that is causing quite a bit of nerd rage right now... justly so.

You will never really run out of a use for lasgun troopers, so getting a couple packs of 5 or 10 is not a total mistake. As for Snipers, I like them, specially in Platoon Command Squads that can have 4 special weapons ( I run Platoons as my troop choice most times so I have to have these guys). In mass, supported by Orders issued by a Company Command Squad ('Bring it Down!' effectively gives you twin linked against vehicles and Monstrous Creatures the CCS and the PCS can both see) Snipers can be effective. I use them as MC hunters because I am making the BS 3 guys twin linked and then wounding on a 4+. You also have the Sniper, Rending, and Pinning special rules which can be effective against other units if there are no MCs around but that BS 3 will take it's toll on their effectiveness. If you want to do 'camo' sniper minies, I would suggest a CCS or Vets over a proxy of Ratlings... Ratlings have such a terrible Ld that if they are hit and take casualties, they tend to run. As a side note, Ratlings will also take away Elite slots from your Storm Troopers! The CCS can take 'Camo-Cloaks' and the Vets can get 'Forward Sentries' which gives them the Stealth special rule. I will note most competitive players will consider this a waste of special weapon slots with valuable BS 4, but if your doing it for fun or because you like the figs it doesn't matter what they think, right?

If you don't have a pretty penny to blow and want to stretch your buck out as far as you can, I suggest get magnets and a hand drill set. This allows you to use the same fig/model multiple time and allows you to change your mind. End of the day, have fun! IG have a really good Codex and the true trick is balancing numbers for equipment/gear. It is very easy to overspend on a unit, but it is very easy for some people to not figure out proper gear for the task you want them to accomplish. If you reach that point, you should be satisfied with them as a gamer and enjoy them as a modeler/painter.

If you have an infantry platoon, if you have 20+ spare lasgun guardsmen you can field conscripts in your platoon.

All I really see those 5 pack things for is paint practice (which is very useful), filling out extra squads (if you don't mind the static poses), and making/bolstering conscript squads!

For a legal army at the minimum possible cost you could try the following:

Buy a Cadian Battleforce £75 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440246a&prodId=prod2030001)
Buy a Kasrkin Squad £25.50 (These will be your Veterans, Grenadiers with Carapace Armour: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440248a&prodId=prod1070081)
Total cost: £100.50
Total points for bare minimum: 350 points
You can easily make this up to 600 points for a nice cosy Combat Patrol game by using Lascannons for the Heavy Weapon Teams, using an armoured sentinel with a Plasma or Lascannon, Giving your Commander a Power Sword and Plasma Pistol, taking Carapace Armour for your Command Squad, adding regimental and platoon standards, adding Vox-casters to all units etc etc. I'm just recommending it as a fun way to get straight into playing IG They're so cool.

1/2 HQ: Company Command Squad
1 Company Commander
4 Guardsmen with one of the following each: Medi-pack, Regimental Standard, Vox-caster, Heavy Flamer, Other Special Weapon

1/6 Troops: Infantry Platoon
1 Platoon Command Squad:
1 Officer
2 Guardsmen with one of the following each: Medi-pack, Platoon Standard, Vox-caster, Heavy Flamer, Other Special Weapon
1 Heavy Weapons Team

2 Infantry Squads:
1 Sergeant
7 Guardsmen with lasguns (One can have a special weapon. One should be given a Vox-caster if you have put Vox-casters in either of your Command Squads.)
1 Heavy Weapons Team

2/6 Troops: Veteran Squad
1 Veteran Sergeant
9 Veterans with whatever the Kasrkins come with

1/3 Fast Attack: Sentinel Squadron
1 Scout or Armoured Sentinel

As an alternative to Kasrkins for your veterans you could simply buy two 5 man packs and make an extra sergeant with the final model from the Battle Force (there are enough bits )
If you are going Cadian you could even buy a catachan Squad (£18) and use them as a penal legion - they don't look very armoured hence 5+ save would make sense (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440249a&prodId=prod2080005) (Or you could use them as veterans)

Either way this is a good core to start with, you'll always find a use for the guys I have just listed for you. Maybe not the sentinel but you could sell that on ebay But then I realise you want a sentinel hehe If you like the idea of a sentinel with a heavy flamer go for it! I'd recommend it on an armoured sentinel though due to needing to get up close and personal to use it, and using front armour if assaulted. However Sentinels are only HP 2 which is a bit poor.

foxyfennec wrote:
For a legal army at the minimum possible cost you could try the following:

Just be aware that, while this is technically a legal army, it's a very bad army. You're going to be better off figuring out exactly what you want and buying it instead of wasting money on trying to make a "cheapest legal" list and then buying what you really want when you realize that 'cheapest' and 'winning' are mutually exclusive concepts.

 Peregrine wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:
For a legal army at the minimum possible cost you could try the following:

Just be aware that, while this is technically a legal army, it's a very bad army. You're going to be better off figuring out exactly what you want and buying it instead of wasting money on trying to make a "cheapest legal" list and then buying what you really want when you realize that 'cheapest' and 'winning' are mutually exclusive concepts.

You need this to start any army mr negative.
Sure you could go the all veteran route. Thinking about it that's actually cheaper.

No more than £70 by buying two boxes of Kasrkin squads, or even regular guardsman squads, and a command squad to be the HQ, or heck even £60 if you use a Lord Commissar as your HQ.

For Combat Patrol games my previous example could win games.

Ultimately you can't deny that you need 1 HQ and 2 Troop Choices... And there aren't many options at all.

Could you share your perfect minimum legal army please? 1 HQ, 2 troops. Tell me what your amazing godlike force would be please. Some of us can't go out and buy 9 Vendettas.

(sorry for being so defensive lol)

foxyfennec wrote:
You need this to start any army mr negative.

No you don't. You're throwing on useless upgrades (which wastes a perfectly good lasgun carrier) and then doing stuff like arming your veterans with whatever happens to come in the box (a perfect way to waste the unit).

For Combat Patrol games my previous example could win games.

Could win? Yes. Likely to win? Not even close, unless your opponent doesn't bother trying to make a good combat patrol list.

Could you share your perfect minimum legal army please? 1 HQ, 2 troops.

CCS, 4x melta

Veterans, 3x plasma, Chimera
Veterans, 3x plasma, Chimera

Vendetta (for the CCS)

There, that's an efficient 560 points that will be a good core to an army. It costs slightly more than your "cheapest legal army" advice, but it's a playable and effective army right out of the box and you can go straight to adding new units instead of trying to replace the ones you wasted money on.

 Peregrine wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:
You need this to start any army mr negative.

No you don't. You're throwing on useless upgrades (which wastes a perfectly good lasgun carrier) and then doing stuff like arming your veterans with whatever happens to come in the box (a perfect way to waste the unit).

For Combat Patrol games my previous example could win games.

Could win? Yes. Likely to win? Not even close, unless your opponent doesn't bother trying to make a good combat patrol list.

Could you share your perfect minimum legal army please? 1 HQ, 2 troops.

CCS, 4x melta

Veterans, 3x plasma, Chimera
Veterans, 3x plasma, Chimera

Vendetta (for the CCS)

There, that's an efficient 560 points that will be a good core to an army. It costs slightly more than your "cheapest legal army" advice, but it's a playable and effective army right out of the box and you can go straight to adding new units instead of trying to replace the ones you wasted money on.

For the CCS would you give them Carapace Armour and buy 4 Kasrkin Special Weapons packs (with melta+plasma)? Then use the melta ones in the CCS, buy some officer with armour? Or do you mean regular non Grenadier Veterans?
It's sad how the configurations you get in the boxes are so useless. If you're on a budget you just have to live with it, or try to get the most you can from it.

Assuming a budget, what would you recommend with a budget? As in can't afford to shell out £40-50 JUST for the right special weapons.

Is forward sentries an alright alternative to the chimera?

I calculated your force to cost £202.65 hm

foxyfennec wrote:
For the CCS would you give them Carapace Armour and buy 4 Kasrkin Special Weapons packs (with melta+plasma)? Then use the melta ones in the CCS, buy some officer with armour? Or do you mean regular non Grenadier Veterans?

I mean regular non-grenadier veterans/CCS, carapace armor is just a waste of points. Buy a basic infantry box, then swap the lasguns for melta/plasma:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710020a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710022a

(Or you can get them elsewhere from bitz sellers or convert them from random scrap parts if you're really creative.)

Assuming a budget, what would you recommend with a budget? As in can't afford to shell out £40-50 JUST for the right special weapons.

As I said, I would recommend saving your money until you can afford to buy the right weapons. It's better to pay $X now than to pay $Y for cheap models and then pay $X anyway when you realize that the cheap models don't work.

Is forward sentries an alright alternative to the chimera?

No, because you need the protection AND mobility of a Chimera. +1 cover save is nice, but not nearly enough to keep units alive. At most you might be able to get away with taking a Harker squad as an objective holder (and upgrading the remaining Chimera to a Vendetta, you really want redundant Chimeras), but then you're replacing the money for a Chimera with the money for an aegis line + quad gun.

 Peregrine wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:
For the CCS would you give them Carapace Armour and buy 4 Kasrkin Special Weapons packs (with melta+plasma)? Then use the melta ones in the CCS, buy some officer with armour? Or do you mean regular non Grenadier Veterans?

I mean regular non-grenadier veterans/CCS, carapace armor is just a waste of points. Buy a basic infantry box, then swap the lasguns for melta/plasma:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710020a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710022a

(Or you can get them elsewhere from bitz sellers or convert them from random scrap parts if you're really creative.)

Assuming a budget, what would you recommend with a budget? As in can't afford to shell out £40-50 JUST for the right special weapons.

As I said, I would recommend saving your money until you can afford to buy the right weapons. It's better to pay $X now than to pay $Y for cheap models and then pay $X anyway when you realize that the cheap models don't work.

Is forward sentries an alright alternative to the chimera?

No, because you need the protection AND mobility of a Chimera. +1 cover save is nice, but not nearly enough to keep units alive. At most you might be able to get away with taking a Harker squad as an objective holder (and upgrading the Chimera to a Vendetta, you really want redundant Chimeras), but then you're replacing the money for a Chimera with the money for an aegis line + quad gun.

Thanks for that link, not sure I could do that but who knows

In your opinion then are infantry platoons useless in 6th edition?

foxyfennec wrote:

Assuming a budget, what would you recommend with a budget? As in can't afford to shell out £40-50 JUST for the right special weapons.

Assuming a budget, this thread is awesome. In fact even if you're not on a budget, a lot of the weapons look awesome.

foxyfennec wrote:
In your opinion then are infantry platoons useless in 6th edition?

No, they're good for holding objectives. However, if money is tight they're a bad idea because of the huge number of models you need to do them correctly.

Is there ever a point in fielding valkyries in your opinion?

And how do you think infantry platoons should be made? Should voxes be used? Heavy weapons? Etc

foxyfennec wrote:
Is there ever a point in fielding valkyries in your opinion?

No. Valkyries just give you anti-infantry (the ordnance rule on hellstrike missiles ruins them and means that the rocket pod upgrade is mandatory) which is something you have everywhere in the codex. Vendettas cost the same but give you awesome (and extremely efficient) AA and anti-tank, which is incredibly rare. Unless you play in a really bizarre metagame where none of your opponents bring flyers or vehicles the Vendetta is the automatic choice.

And how do you think infantry platoons should be made? Should voxes be used? Heavy weapons? Etc

Default option: infantry squad with lascannon and melta/plasma, with 2-4 squads combined into a single one and given a commissar. Cheap and not completely inefficient while they hold your objectives. PCS are best used with 4x flamers in a Vendetta as a late-game scoring unit to drop somewhere useful.

Is it a huge problem that I only have autocannon? I figured they were the best all rounders :/

foxyfennec wrote:
Is it a huge problem that I only have autocannon? I figured they were the best all rounders :/

I wouldn't say it's a huge problem. They have their uses. The thing is, IG aren't marines. Why do you want an all rounder (which the AC really isn't)? Why don't you want a specialist? IG can bring so many units to the table that you can afford (and should) specialise.

Also, every time you ignore a special weapon slot, Jesus kills a kitten.

 Peregrine wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:
For the CCS would you give them Carapace Armour and buy 4 Kasrkin Special Weapons packs (with melta+plasma)? Then use the melta ones in the CCS, buy some officer with armour? Or do you mean regular non Grenadier Veterans?

I mean regular non-grenadier veterans/CCS, carapace armor is just a waste of points. Buy a basic infantry box, then swap the lasguns for melta/plasma:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710020a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710022a

(Or you can get them elsewhere from bitz sellers or convert them from random scrap parts if you're really creative.).

I will point out, since I own 10 of each, that the melta/plasma in those links do not work very well. The problem is they have a single hand (for marines) and are not the chest huggers with two hands that the normal IG fig needs. You will either need old school IG that have both arms/hands free or green-stuff these to make them work. Just a forewarning that this is not nessarily a problem solver.

 BlkTom wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:
For the CCS would you give them Carapace Armour and buy 4 Kasrkin Special Weapons packs (with melta+plasma)? Then use the melta ones in the CCS, buy some officer with armour? Or do you mean regular non Grenadier Veterans?

I mean regular non-grenadier veterans/CCS, carapace armor is just a waste of points. Buy a basic infantry box, then swap the lasguns for melta/plasma:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710020a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1710022a

(Or you can get them elsewhere from bitz sellers or convert them from random scrap parts if you're really creative.).

I will point out, since I own 10 of each, that the melta/plasma in those links do not work very well. The problem is they have a single hand (for marines) and are not the chest huggers with two hands that the normal IG fig needs. You will either need old school IG that have both arms/hands free or green-stuff these to make them work. Just a forewarning that this is not nessarily a problem solver.

They work fine, just cut that marine hand off. I cut down the IG flamers and vox pack to make a decent version with a sling.

 Trickstick wrote:


They work fine

I agree. They're great. You can also file them down on one side, clip off the hand and put them in lasgun arms. It's even easy to position it so it has the same stock as a lasgun.