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Okay so I'm writing this on my phone so bare with me... I'm a long time dakka reader and have an above average canon knowledge, hopefully, don't post much but was thinking about something today I hope someone here can clarify with me....

The Edgar being an extremely gifted psychic race caused the birth of Slaanesh at the height of their empire due to all their kinky, filthy feelings and sordid shenanigans... This we all know. Standard easy canon blah blah blah

I read recently on a thread here at Dakka that the fall of the elder and the birth of Slaanesh didn't happen all that long ago (relatively speaking). And at this point the human race was actually very wide spread in the galaxy... With the majority of the Eldar empire being located where Slaanesh was born, the eye of terror. Chronologically this was during the dark age of technology where the human race was pretty advanced...

So I'm assuming that the trillions?! of humans around at the time did contribute somewhat to Slaanesh as they are doing now... Re the numbers of humans then and now (In 40k) roughly the same amount?

As Slaanesh was born he pretty much decimated the numbers of the Eldar... Right? I mean he massively reduced their numbers to the point they are pretty much never going to recover *GRIMDARK*

Finally getting to my main point is.... With the majority of the Eldar dead where is Slaanesh getting all his power/worship/kinky sex energy from in order to keep him existing... The very psychic power which created him is now pretty much all gone as the Eldar are almost completely wiped out and the few existing now don't practice bondage any more...

Seeing as the numbers of humans then and the numbers at the current time setting can't really have been that different (the falls is just after/during the golden age of humanity, no?) how can Slaanesh still be sustained???? It was the Eldar feelings and perverse loving that made him, he is after all an Eldar god.....?!

Should Slaanesh have faded away or at least become much reduced in power?

Like I said, I'm on my phone, a bit drunk on a night bus and my grammar and spelling must be awful.

What are people's thoughts.....?

Why hasn't Slaanesh faded away or become (relatively) minor... Can he really be a Big 4 God now that his entire power source, the Eldar, are either dead or not being perverts.

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The Edgar being an extremely gifted psychic race caused the birth of Slaanesh

damn those Edgar...and they're cousins the Dark Edgar!

From what I've read in the Heresy novels the birth of Slaanesh didn't happen during the dark age of technology but roughly 400 years before the great crusade..I could be wrong...I could be right but the author could be wrong but that's the impression that I've gotten...regardless though when it happened it calmed the warp and thus the Emperor was able to go on his grand crusade

As for Slaanesh being an Eldar God that's a bit of a misnowmer...the Eldar created him sure...but he is a chaos god created from those feelings not necessarily an Eldar god though and he is totally able to be sustained through human emotion...well not just human emotion but anything livings emotion for instance

in the novel Fulgrim: Spoiler


and then we have the Emperors Children themselves...if Slaanesh were to be powered by Eldar only..what need would he have of a full legion of space marines to worship him?

the Chaos Gods only crave emotion ....it matters not from where the emotion comes!..hope that helps a little

The odd thing about the chaos gods... Once they exist...they have always existed, bloody confusing right, so by fuzzy logic slaanesh could have led to slaaneshs birth by influenceing the eldar into thinking of slaanesh, thus creating slaanesh!

Haha the Edgar are the most grimdark of the Xenos!! Damn you Phone!

But he was created by the entertainment of the eldar but suddenly that entire source that created and sustained it was completely destroyed.

So 400 years before the crusade (I think you're right there!) the amount of humans would be roughly the same as it is in the current time frame... Why didn't the human population alone create Slaanesh regardless of any Eldar psychic input? His power mainly came from the Eldar but of course all loving things with a psychic presence in the warp also contribute... But suddenly his entire Eldar resource was gone...



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 Formosa wrote:
The odd thing about the chaos gods... Once they exist...they have always existed, bloody confusing right, so by fuzzy logic slaanesh could have led to slaaneshs birth by influenceing the eldar into thinking of slaanesh, thus creating slaanesh!

Yes, I've heard this too... Because time is different in the warp so Slaanesh has always existed etc... Which is weird because they most definitely didn't exist with the Old Ones

[quote Why didn't the human population alone create Slaanesh regardless of any Eldar psychic input?

Slaneesh can keep excisting as long as Eldar keep dying and their souls too late to save. It is the reason why the Eldar call him/her She Who Thirsts. The Eldar use the spirit stone things to keep their kin away from Slaneesh's perverted hands.

The Emperor's Children and other related cults dedicated to the worship of Slaneesh keep her presense in the Warp alive. It has been said that he/she is relatively weaker of the Gods, being so much younger and less straight-forward with the influence on the real dimension. But as long as pleasure and eccess are around, so will Slaneesh.

Unless you exterminate all psychic sentient life in the Galaxy, you will not be able to kill Slaanesh. Even if the Eldar are able to destroy Slaanesh' palace and physical form in the Warp he'll just come back eventually.

Humans also contributed to the creation of Slaanesh in their own crude way. It is just that Eldar, being far more evolved and psychically attuned, experience everything with far more intensity than we would be capable of handling or even imagining. Think of it like this: an Eldar enjoying a simple, nice meal is the equivalent of a human doing a whole bunch of heroin/hardcore drug of choice for the first time ever.

Bring back IT, give the population some sort of Rite of Tranquility or some sort of psykic lobotomy until the bitch is weakened, then put an axe between her/his eyes....

 Omegus wrote:
Humans also contributed to the creation of Slaanesh in their own crude way. It is just that Eldar, being far more evolved and psychically attuned, experience everything with far more intensity than we would be capable of handling or even imagining. Think of it like this: an Eldar enjoying a simple, nice meal is the equivalent of a human doing a whole bunch of heroin/hardcore drug of choice for the first time ever.

Way i see it. Humanity contributed but very little. Slaanesh was 90 or 99% created by the Eldar. Its why she owns all their souls.

you kinda have to remember that slaanesh doesn't just feed off of eldar souls and pervy thoughts. there are entire worlds dedicated to slaanesh in one form or the other, not to mention every human feels pride, lust or some other slaaneshy emoution which fules him/her

While that was the birth of slaanesh from the normal universe's timeline. In warptime, he always existed, and yet never existed.

Also, he can also be fueled by chaos space marine worshippers, human cultists, the dark eldar when they are out of commoragh, and so on.

But yeah, he is the weaker of the 4 god's for the reason that most of the eldar popped when he was born.

Plus, Slaanesh doesn't merely rely on emotion like the other god's, he actually steals and absorb's/eats souls when he can, which is likely much more enriching than merely absorbing emotions.

The way I see it is this. When Slaanesh was created, there were a LOT of Eldar around. Now, not so much, of course - but he/she/both still gets the occasional bit of Eldar taste, as well as everything Comorragh gets up to contributing.
But as the Eldar dwindled away, mankind has been expanding away and more or less taking their place. So now there are a LOT of humans, we might individually be less useful to Slaanesh than an Eldar, but overall we're now contributing the most.

To put it another way...we're the bread and butter, but every now and again there's a nice bit of juicy Eldar steak for the taste buds.

Slaanesh wasn't created by the emotions of living Eldar, but by the amalgamation of the souls of dead Eldar. Basically, strong willed creatures with sufficiently strong warp-presences could "survive" entry into the warp on death, and from there reincarnate (Eldar codex, also the Emperor's origin story (1,000 human psykers in 8k BC commit ritual suicide and incarnate as one being, effectively a smaller, more controlled version of what happened with Slaanesh)). The fall of the Eldar happened when the Eldar souls in the Warp, which was becoming ever more turbulent as a result of their tortured and ecstatic state, reached something of a critical mass and collapsed into a singularity: Slaanesh.


Aside from that, it survives like any other Warp entity.

Well you also have the Eldar version that a new god will be born that will defeat Slaanesh. Who knows, it could be real, the Emperor also threatened the Chaos gods with his power.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ynnead#.UU5qeBzEK88

On a related note to the Eldar god of the dead...

do you think that Mensha Khaine could become jealous if this deity were to form and then go to battle against it before it formed?...or..an avatar of khaine I guess?

after all Khaine seemed pretty jealous of most of the pantheon and he didn't seem to care who he hurt! or do you think he would join forces with the new deity against Slaanesh hmmm

It's also possible that Khaine might be consumed by the birth of Ynnead just like the rest of the Eldar Pantheon was with Slaanesh.

Well Ynnead might possibly replace Khaine. How many spirit stones are from adept warriors in the circuit? He might even become stronger then Khaine with all those warrior spirits. As it is now Khaine isnt really worth noting. All those shattered pieces arent that powerfull on their own or they have to find a way to reform him.