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Hi All,

using an ADL with orks seems to be good for 1 or 2 reasons from my exp.

using for lootas and Boom guns.

the 2+ cover save when you go to ground with the lootas is sweeeeeet az.

does anyone else have any reasonable way of using the ADL with the Greenskins???

cheers

Its no secret, ADL is in general amazing, no matter what army you're playing, except possibly dark eldar. They'd still get shot off the board in a turn or two.

i almost always hav an ADL with my orks. The addition of a quad gun is too awesome, since my only anti air is 6s upon 6s.

Every time i dont take it, my list feels like it has a hole in it. When i tweak said hole i have a point gap. Point gap is almost always the cost of an ADL or damn close to it, so i get one since i already got lootas and i cant depend on good terrain cover the way we play

Would it not be worth manning the Quadgun with a unit of grots for the better BS skill rather then orks.

It should be worth it, the quad gun is pretty powerful against ground and air. 2 TL autocannons w/ skyfire & interceptor. You want to land as many of those shots as possible.

Vineheart, why is your avatar so hypnotic?

I take a unit of big guns, and have one of the grot gunner wiggle over and man the Quad Gun.

It is IMHO, the best way to use it. This way you can get your BS3 grot without having to take a nominally useless entire squad of grots.

And yes, I find myself staring at Vineheart's avatar for longer then I want to admit. Where in the world is that from?

If you have a unit if grotz behind an ADL can you even draw line of sight to them since their so short?

lol....i love this avatar.
Its Krystal from the Star Fox games, its just a random silhuotte i found a year or so ago. Not the first time ive had people comment on it either. Cannot resist the sexyness that is Krystal!

Anyway...

You cannot draw line of sight to the grots that are in base contact with the wall, as they are hiding behind it. Perfectly legal. However if they are backed up slightly they can still be seen, and the whole +1 to cover doesnt apply to non-vehicle models that are barely visible. Which i find weird but it would be annoying to figure it out every time if its covered enough to give it or not.
I usually dont do that crap though. Reason being, the gun is more important than the grots anyway. If they take out my gun, the grots just hide to avoid giving points but elsewise theyre just bubbled around the gun and holding an objective.

I have a defense line, but I only use it for my Wolves. I don't plan on using it for my orks because sitting in the back is not orky despite what those Deathskull cowards will tell you.

Evil Sunz know how to live, man.

 Wilytank wrote:
I have a defense line, but I only use it for my Wolves. I don't plan on using it for my orks because sitting in the back is not orky despite what those Deathskull cowards will tell you.

Evil Sunz know how to live, man.

If you use forgeworld they've got some good Evil Sunz anti-air Vehicles, one where you can even go flat out and still shoot so long as its a flyer.

Aint no tin, flying contraption gonna outrun da orkz!

 Vineheart01 wrote:
lol....i love this avatar.
Its Krystal from the Star Fox games, its just a random silhuotte i found a year or so ago. Not the first time ive had people comment on it either. Cannot resist the sexyness that is Krystal!

Anyway...

You cannot draw line of sight to the grots that are in base contact with the wall, as they are hiding behind it. Perfectly legal. However if they are backed up slightly they can still be seen, and the whole +1 to cover doesnt apply to non-vehicle models that are barely visible. Which i find weird but it would be annoying to figure it out every time if its covered enough to give it or not.
I usually dont do that crap though. Reason being, the gun is more important than the grots anyway. If they take out my gun, the grots just hide to avoid giving points but elsewise theyre just bubbled around the gun and holding an objective.

I thought it looked like Krystal. I've always liked star fox.

A few days ago, I thought fortifications were a terrible idea, just another way for GW to reach deep into our wallets to ream us for all we're worth.

Then I actually read the blurb for the ADL. Its a little wall you can make for under a dollar, 8 sections that can be deployed in up to four individual walls, that can have a raep cannon attached and give your boyz 2+ cover saves.

2+ saves. For 6 point Orks. Or 15 point lootas if your using it like I plan to.

Where has this thing been all my life? I still hate the rest, but this wall, if they'd just ditch the stupid name and call it like 'battlefield fortifications' or something, is fine by me!

I take a unit of big guns, and have one of the grot gunner wiggle over and man the Quad Gun.

It is IMHO, the best way to use it. This way you can get your BS3 grot without having to take a nominally useless entire squad of grots.

I now officially consider myself an idiot for not thinking of this myself.

As long as we're talking about ADLs, what gun is better? I know I always see the quad gun, and that rounds it off to a nice 100 points, but is the icarus lascannon any good on the line?

 Gyrtop wrote:
As long as we're talking about ADLs, what gun is better? I know I always see the quad gun, and that rounds it off to a nice 100 points, but is the icarus lascannon any good on the line?

The quadgun has a much better rate of fire and being twin linked really helps it out. I would never take anything else. ADLs are also a great opportunity for modeling up some Orky barricades, or looting the actual ADL kit.

Yep, I use the GW Ork Barricades. They are nearly the same size as the GW ADL.

For a flack gun, I've been thinking of the FW one.

 Snrub wrote:
Would it not be worth manning the Quadgun with a unit of grots for the better BS skill rather then orks.

Considering the firing model needs LoS to the target, no. The Grots probably won't be able to see anything.

 Gyrtop wrote:
As long as we're talking about ADLs, what gun is better? I know I always see the quad gun, and that rounds it off to a nice 100 points, but is the icarus lascannon any good on the line?

A friend and I mathhammered it out and the quad gun is superior in all cases, for all ballistic skills and armor values (up to armor 12). It may have also been superior on armor 13, I can't remember. But when shooting at a flyer (who never have more than 12 armor) the fact that you're getting 4 TL shots outweighs the much easier glances/pens and slightly increased chance of getting Vehicle Explodes. The quad gun not only inflicts more hull points on average, but it has a higher chance of killing the flyer with its initial volley since it can chew through all the hull points at once as well as get a lucky pen.

I honestly wish the ADL was worse, because it's kind of a no-brainer include in any non-Tyranid list (since they're disallowed from using the gun). Of course, if they keep up this pace, they can get skyfire options into every codex and that should mitigate the need to take one somewhat. I just think it's silly to have two clashing armies who had time to set up their fortifications within yards of the other side. It reminds me of 2fort.

Note: I don't care what particular feat of awesomeness you pulled off with an Icarus one time. I am speaking statistically here.

I just think it's silly to have two clashing armies who had time to set up their fortifications within yards of the other side.

Thats because you are making the mistake of thinking the 40k battlefield is to scale. Its not.


Something within 6" of a model may be 50 feet away, but something 12" away is 200 yards away. A Railcannon or Battlecannon taking a 72" shot may be firing on a target 30 kilometers away.

So your fortifications are not actually a few hundred feet from each other but may be many kilometers apart.


There is a sliding scale of distance equivilancy and so it can't be directly translated.

So if Grots cannot see over the ADL, can they even fire Big Guns if those are parked behind one?

Depends on if they can see their target. Get down and look to find out.

As long as we're talking about ADLs, what gun is better?

The Icarus is cheaper, and is definitely worth considering if you’ve got someone BS5 or with his own re-rolls to hit manning it. The higher Strength and AP2 can make a big difference, especially against AV12 flyers which the QG can only Pen on a 6. BS4 is a bit more iffy. BS 3 and lower, definitely the Quad Gun. Other factors/special rules can also bear on this decision. The ability of a model with Tank Hunter to re-roll armor pen makes the QG much more attractive.

8 sections that can be deployed in up to four individual walls,

Might want to have a peek at the main rulebook FAQ. They got rid of that. The wall’s got to be one contiguous line or circle.

If you have a unit if grotz behind an ADL can you even draw line of sight to them since their so short?

Remember it’s always true LOS, drawn to and from the model. The Grot height problem is a bit less of an issue when they’re shooting at flyers, though, as those are so tall. As long as you can draw LOS from the grot firing the gun to the flyer, you’re good.

I take a unit of big guns, and have one of the grot gunner wiggle over and man the Quad Gun.

It is IMHO, the best way to use it. This way you can get your BS3 grot without having to take a nominally useless entire squad of grots.

Remember that you still can’t split fire, though; when shooting on your own turn (as opposed to on your opponent’s turn using Interceptor) the quad gun and the big guns will have to fire at the same target. Regular grots are hardly useless. 40pts for disposable a scoring unit is quite good, IME.

Not if the big guns are lobbas. Indirect fire and all that.

 Grey Templar wrote:

I just think it's silly to have two clashing armies who had time to set up their fortifications within yards of the other side.

Thats because you are making the mistake of thinking the 40k battlefield is to scale. Its not.


Something within 6" of a model may be 50 feet away, but something 12" away is 200 yards away. A Railcannon or Battlecannon taking a 72" shot may be firing on a target 30 kilometers away.

So your fortifications are not actually a few hundred feet from each other but may be many kilometers apart.


There is a sliding scale of distance equivilancy and so it can't be directly translated.

Fair enough. I did have one game though where we both set it up outside our deployment zone (it only has to be in your table half) and the distance was about eight inches, though, and that's silly despite the sliding scale. We rationalized it as the IG one was a standard Imperial fortification, and the one fielded by the Tau was a special barricade that could be dropped from a Manta and assemble itself with suppressive fire from the Tau forces protecting it.

As for the grots, one of my friends suggests that you could deploy the gun at one end of the line (with enough of it still behind the wall to get a cover save) and have a grot walk around to the exposed side of it. That gives him decent visibility, and if he gets splattered there's always another grot.

If you're going to use grots on your ADL, perhaps you can add a stool for the gunner to stand on.

It'll look funny AND help give it line of sight (and other things line of sight to the grot of course).

I would suggest using plasticard/GS to make a chair on the part with the guns, make it slide on the wheel with the guns. and then sit the grot down in that. shouldn't be too hard, looking at the quad gun model right now.