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 Banicks wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
GW is not a franchise.

What would they be called technically then?

A franchise is where an individual (the franchisee) is permitted to trade under the companies name. GW does not do this - stores are not franchised out, they are run purely by Games Workshop.

 Banicks wrote:
As for these other miniatures, I've not heard of them. But perhaps it's time to have a look. Ultimately though I was interested in 40k because of the ease of location to the shop, and to my knowledge there is limited offering of other miniature wargaming apart from Melbourne (12 hours both ways)

You don't have to look far. There's plenty of other games out there.

Where abouts in Sydney are you? There's a rather kickass game store in South West Sydney I frequent that sells and encourages the playing of practically everything.

Oh feth I just realized I'm in their photos for the 6th edition midnight launch.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Banicks wrote:
As for these other miniatures, I've not heard of them. But perhaps it's time to have a look. Ultimately though I was interested in 40k because of the ease of location to the shop, and to my knowledge there is limited offering of other miniature wargaming apart from Melbourne (12 hours both ways)

You don't have to look far. There's plenty of other games out there.

Heck, there are the banners at the top of Dakka, and a number of subforums for other games.. including the official forums for two game companies.

I was going to put your game in there, but the amount of links was just getting tiring

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Prices in Australia are insane, so is their minimum wage though, like A$20 a month? The economy has had non-stop growth for the past decade, so people aren't exactly starving.

Spoken like someone not living in Australia. The people that make the news and talk about things like how wealthy Australans are have no fething idea what it's like to not be one of the 5%. You can see this when you have a moron MP saying things like people on $140,000au per year are not wealthy.

Try living here before making claims about our economy.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Minimum wage accords you a reasonably good standard of living- car, house, stocked up fridge on XXXX.

Sure, at minimum wage, you have your car, your house, and your beer (seriously, XXXX? Picking the worst beer possible isn't helping you). You've got your food. You're paying your ludicrously priced utilities due to recent taxes (things have changed in recent years).

What we're arguing is that after living expenses in Australia, you don't generally have the disposeable income to pay what GW is asking. However, you generally do have the disposeable income to pay what Corvus Belli, Mantic, Privateer Press (just barely) are asking.

Cost of living is high in Auatralia, which offsets the higher minimum wage. Some other companies have seen this, and still wanting Australian customers, have priced their products here accordingly at retail. GW haven't, and have made damn sure we won't be their customer at retail or from ordering overseas.

Bullockist wrote:
I think GW is pretty much dead in aus

It's really not. GW still gets the lions share of gamers even here. It's slipping, but not too quickly.

Depends wehre and how much you're spending, really. If you're buying one or two boxes infantry, the savings is either not enough to cover the shipping or not worth the wait. If you're buying, say, a whole army, the saving really ramp up.

I'll generally not bother unless the savings exceed $50-$60 after shipping. If I'm just after a box of Termagants or something, I bite the bullet and pay Australian retail, but give the sale to my FLGS, even if it means waiting a week for them to get it in. My last two purchases were exactly this - a Carnifex and a Tyrannofex, both of which, separately (I bought them months apart), wouldn't have saved enough after shipping for me to care. So my FLGS got the money.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Why should GW leave every Australian independent out to dry for a sake of a few online retailers in the US or Europe?

Why indeed, when all they need to do to fix the problem is drop the wholesale price to a level where Oz retail prices can be adjust to match overseas prices?

What amazes me is some people actually think, we, the consumers, are doing the FLGS wrong by buying overseas or online when the reality is that GW are leaving retailers out in the cold by charging them higher wholesale and not allowing them to compete. GW aren't doing the FLGS in Australia any favours.

GW aren't doing them favours, but when people start buying online, they won't stick to just GW products. The FLGS's will lose sales of any other gaming systems that can be had cheaper online, which is a lot of them.

GW doing something to help keep the sales in the stores is admirable - if that's what they were actually doing, rather than just trying to keep us paying their high prices.