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Alright so I play tested some Thunder wolves as allies for my guard. I ran:

Wolf lord
Thunderwolf mount
Runic armor
TH/SS
Saga of the beast slayer

TWC
x3 wolves
#1 SS
#2 Power fist
#3 bare bones

After using this squad I found that I think it might be better to have the PF and SS on one model as the other 2 wolves will take advantage of the 4 attacks base +1 charge, +1 CCW and pistol, then Hammer of wrath.

Would this be viable or would it still be better to the PF and SS on separate models?

Also so it doesnt confuse anyone I had grey hunter unit as my troops.

Put them on the same model.

I normally run a Lord kitted out just like you, but have recently discovered that putting a TH/SS on a normal TWC guy is half the points, and all you lose is 2WS, 1W, 1A and 2LD. So I'm going to try running this guy instead which gives me over 100 points free for something else.

I always put a storm shield on my power fist carrying wolf rider. However, I also include between one or 3 with storm shields too. They sit at the front and eat shooting before it gets to my power fist guy and any others with no special weapons.

In 6th you should hide the fist of TH in the back. TWC unfortunately are super expensive with people going to heavy shooting lists. I have 12 TWC and now can't find a good list to put them in for competitive games. I personally like the 2+/3++ TWLord with a wolf claw better along with a twc th/ss and 2 to 4 twc.

Ever since I completed my Thunderwolf Lord, I don't run my Cavalry without him. I give him a Storm Shield and usually Saga of the Bear as well, stick him in the front, and end up saving the squad from large amounts of pain including one recent incident of Strength D from a Chaos Warhound in an Apocalypse game. I don't give him any special CC weapon though. I have him keep his normal weapon so he can Rend.

I also have a Thunder Hammer in the Cavalry squad, but he's kept in the back. That's what seems to work nowadays. Keep the Shield in the front, and the heavy weapon in the back.

I feel TWC are non-competative (just too many hard counters), but if you want to make them work, you have to go all in and you need to abuse Look Out Sir.

I run them with two Lords in Runic Armor (one has SS, one has Belt of Russ), with two Fenrisian Wolves apiece, with a squad of Five ThunderWolves (with two SSs in the unit). I run one Lord in hte front, flanked by his Wolves, and one SS TWC. I run the other Lord on the side where I am likely to take fire in the same configuration. When the wounds come in, I do some quick mental math hammer, and push them out with Look Out Sir based on that.

Remember you make LOS wounds before you take your saves, so just estimate how many is "safe" for your lord to tank on his 2+, and push the rest out. Fenrisian Wolves are great for taking Railguns/Lascannons/Plasma/etc. Especially if you're running through cover, and why wouldn't you be?

Note: this is not cheap points wise. Nor is it "easy" to play. But it can be extremely effective. 6ED is all about positional combat. Look at it as practice for combatting MSS, haha

Yea I feel my problem is that I have that squad of 3 with the lord and that there is only 2 wolves striking at i5, I feel like If I have the SS and PF on one model I could run squads of 3 but if I keep them on separate models I should have atleast a squad of 4 (this is also not including the lord just the TWC)

I used the list above against a slannesh daemon army and My wolves killed some screamers and a squad of fiends but a Daemon prince with iron arm and endurance got my lord in one attack as he had s10 and my SS didnt hold, I hate challenges. lol

anonymou5 wrote:
I feel TWC are non-competitive (just too many hard counters)

I used to think this until I ran them in a tournament for the hell of it. They're not easy to use though, while GH, RP, LF spam is.

I think what really galvanised my love for them was the vast number of blobs with heavy/special weapons in SM lists. 3-5 TWC make short work of them and stop them firing as early as T2. With no character they aren't bogged down by silly challenges either.
Also being able to multi-charge with those huge bases is what I love about them.

They do have the issue of Str:10 though. I don't think the Lord is very competitive either; he just costs too many points unfortunately.

 Digriz wrote:
Put them on the same model.

I normally run a Lord kitted out just like you, but have recently discovered that putting a TH/SS on a normal TWC guy is half the points, and all you lose is 2WS, 1W, 1A and 2LD. So I'm going to try running this guy instead which gives me over 100 points free for something else.

you lose the ability to take Runic Armor, which means your TWC can be dakkaed to death easily. That 1 extra wound and the 2++ means you can survive 6 times as much normal firepower. It also gives you someone to challenge(although he has no one to take the chump challenge from)

TWC should not be a deathstar unit. Running 3 units of 3 makes them into a fineness unit that is very cost effective at smashing units that dont want to be seeing melee. Hammers are generally unnecessary due to S5 rending being sufficient vs vehicles.

They are highly competitive and are very hard to deal with as long as they arent placed into 1 big unit that is ~600+ points. When they are used as flakers, they turn into an incredible annoyance and will be running around a players backfield unless he puts exorbitant amounts of fire into each small unit. Even 1 TWC can run through a guardsman unit quite effectively or deal some serious damage to stationary vehicles.

Lord on TWC is generally a bad investment of points. AT his price tag, you can just buy 4+ TWC and throw them in another unit. Both will do more damage and survives better. While a 2+ is nice, TWC generally see AP2 fire quite often meaning that "6 times the fire" tag is misleading.

I think I will have to change it up a bit, I will probably just switch the lord to a standard TWC model and give him the fist and SS. I will then use a Rune priest as my HQ to just sit in a guard blob and help support plasma and lascannon fire.

I think I will try to get a unit of 5 TWC. Maybe have #1 with SS/TH, and #2 with just a SS then the rest will all be standard barebones. I believe thats 340pts if im correct?