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trying out this new list and wasn't sure what you guys would think so if there are areas to improve on tell me but here's the list

HQ:
Librarian, blood lance, shield of sanguinius
-125
Honour guard, jump packs, 2 meltaguns, 2 power swords
-215

Elites:
Sanguinary priest, jump pack, melta bombs
-80
Sanguinary priest, jump pack, melta bombs
-80

Troops:
10 assault marines, 2 meltaguns, power sword, sergeant has power fist
-250
10 assault marines, 2 meltaguns, power sword, sergeant has power fist
-250

so yeah all comments welcome

What about dropping the honour guard for another 10 man assault squad with 2 flamers and power sword? Then dropping both power fists, and the melta bombs, and getting a land speeder with multimelta?

yeah but then my librarian's kinda alone and one of the assault squads won't have a priest

Put the librarian with the third assault squad, keep them close to one of the priests.

how's this?

HQ:
Librarian, blood lance, shield of sanguinius
-125

Elites:
Sanguinary priest, jump pack
-75
Sanguinary priest, jump pack
-75
Troops:
10 assault marines, 2 meltaguns, power sword
-225
10 assault marines, 2 meltaguns, power sword
-225
10 assault marines, 2 flamers, power sword
-215

Fast attack:
land speeder, multi melta
-60

total 1000

so librarian goes to assault squad without priest should he be with flamer squad or one of the melta squads and should he stay near the land speeder to give it cover? thanks for the help though

Forget the land speeder. Get a squadron of MM attack bikes. For 1K pts, 2 or 3 is fine.

Nah, I wouldn't take attack bikes without normals.
And land speeders are often underestimated. They're fast and get nice cover save. Just use cover well and when given opportunity, blow up some tough enemy tank (dread, land raider etc). I would prefer 2 of those things but I'm not sure where to get those 60 points.

One chance is dropping one of the Assault Squads (one with meltas). After that you would still have 165pts to spare. With those points you could get some support (Baal Predator, Dreadnought). If you prefer to have infantryarmy, Vanguard veterans in reserve or jump pack Chaplain is one of the squads (the one without librarian).

If these do not fit in your game style, don't worry. This is just my opinion, the list you made is still pretty nice. But Honour Guard is always nice. Use them if you like.

A lot of people seem to prefer attack bikes to land speeders. To be honest, for me it's just an aesthetics thing.

I tend to try get numbers in, hence the 30 troops, it's just a personal preference. I have bad memories of having my wonderful marines just crushed under weight of numbers back in 2nd ed.

As for what squad your librarian goes with, kinda depends what you plan to do with each of your squads, or who you're facing. Are you going to deep strike your flamer squad to burn up that ig gun line? Or deep strike the melta squad to hit that deep lying leman russ shooting everything up? Depends really. You might not want to deep strike anything in order to avoid the risk of them showing up too late.

The thing with a jp librarian as your warlord as that they're going to find themselves at the sharp end of things. Maybe just put him with whatever squad is going to be furthest from the guns.

It's not aesthetics at all. T5 W2 3+ jink FNP is way, way harder to take out in 6th edition than AV 10 HP 2 jink. Also, the attack bikes can beat up weak units in HTH with hammer of wrath and 2 attacks per model and T5 if necessary.

Attack bikes work fine without normal bikes. I do it all the time. In fact, MM attack bikes, are one of the "must take" units left in the BA codex.

I'm assuming if the OP wanted to just use units he likes, he wouldn't ask for advice. You want the attack bikes, because there are some very unpleasant things you'll want the 24" melta for.

Additionally, you can squeeze out a lot of HTH damage by putting the libby in with an ASM squad, putting in a sanguinary priest, giving these two and and the sarge all power axes. Deny all challenges. You still get two guys swinging axes. Stick the other priest in another ASM squad with an axe, deny all challenges, that squad still gets a single axe.

Your lnadspeeder leaves you really open to first blood IMO. You might want one or two PF in there in case something big comes along. otherwise, I would go attack bike but you could try to deepstrike the landspeeder in for first blood?

Martel732 wrote:
It's not aesthetics at all.

I meant my preference for landspeeders over attack bikes is based on aesthetics. I've heard your opinions on both units a few times and can't argue with you. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

 TheComedian wrote:
you could try to deepstrike the landspeeder in for first blood?

Well, the sad thing is that you can't shoot with land speeder that just deepstriked...

And Martel: Good points, didn't tought CC in this. I still like land speeders more (bikes are impractical in terrain) but I agree that bikes have their benefits.

i think ill stay with the land speeder because it fits in better with the flying theme of the army and i guess for aesthetics too.

i do like the assault marines instead of the honour guard so thanks for that one. Also they're assault squads so none of them are really away from the guns. I was thinking i could sick the librarian with an assault squad and priest with could take a fair bit of fire and could maybe even drop the land speeder and a power sword for another priest so all squads have priests but im not sure and i think the land speeder could come in quite useful too.

by the way this list isnt supposed to be that competitive i just have a competition with my friends so it doesn't have to be perfect

Bikes plow through terrain and take dangerous terrain tests, which they get armor saves and FNP against. I drive my bikes through bunkers all the time.

I wouldn't drop land speeder, that MM is pretty useful against tanks.

Personally I don't like my army being too plain and 3 assault squads w/ pretty much nothing else just seems to lack some tactical diversion.

And, yet, "red tide" is one of the few themes the BA have that still works. But MCs and superior HTH units will kill you.

To get some diversion, I would use Veteran squads. Either Sternguard in rhino/drop pod or Vanguard with couple of power swords. Heroic Intervention makes them pretty nice flankers.

Vanguards are hopelessly overpriced. I never use them. A fragnought or sternguard are always better drop choices. Always.

i kind of like the simplicity at this point level, there's less to worry about, and i kinda like this army.

Also although it is quite plain I have four meltaguns and a multimelta and it's a pretty mobile army so i should be able to cope alright at 1000 points. Im still not quite sure where to put the librarian.

Meltaguns are far more dangerous for the users than MM.

As for the libby: "Additionally, you can squeeze out a lot of HTH damage by putting the libby in with an ASM squad, putting in a sanguinary priest, giving these two and and the sarge all power axes. Deny all challenges. You still get two guys swinging axes. Stick the other priest in another ASM squad with an axe, deny all challenges, that squad still gets a single axe."

then one squad gets left without an axe

also because its a 5th edition codex, it doesnt say if axes cost more than swords so would i have to change my list?

And another thing. I'm trying to repaint some other marines but they've got too much paint on them so what household things could strip it so i dont have to go get some?

To strip plastic, you want something like Simple Green. Stripping plastic is tough because you can't be too harsh. For metal, I use acetone.

As per core rules, regular power weapons all cost the same, and effects are determined by model.

ok thanks

Frankly if you abuse Unit Coherency you can get all of your Marines FnP with one Priest. 2 Priests seems a little overkill at this level in my opinion. I'd drop one and see if you can afford a Land Speeder or a MM bike.

Didn't notice that; I'd only have one priest at 1000 points as well.