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had a game last night where a number of people in our group of friends were telling me that because of the wording of shadows of the warp, runes of witnessing is effectively ignored and I would still have to pass my psychic tests on a 3d6. My opinion was that runes of witnessing canceled out shadows of the warp and just sees the psyker doing a leadership check on 2d6 as normal. I made this decision based on the fact that the Eldar FAQ states that Runes of Warding and Runes of Witnessing effectively cancel each other out, and shadow in the warp is basically Runes of Warding with a range limit. Who was incorrect in this instance?

Neither.

You roll 4d6 and drop the highest. 1 die for RoWit and 1 die for Shadows, then drop the highest for RoWit.

This ones odd, but the best way to handle it is to just roll 2d6 and and doubles peril.

is there any citable material concerning this? I've yet to find any.

 juraigamer wrote:
This ones odd, but the best way to handle it is to just roll 2d6 and and doubles peril.

... Except there's no rules basis for that.


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deathmagiks wrote:
is there any citable material concerning this? I've yet to find any.

The actual rules...

Remember that both abilities are errataed.

EDIT: Checked the FAQs, rigeld2 is correct. The FAQs change the abilities of both RoW and SitW to add a die, so you'd roll 4d6 and drop the highest, suffering perils on any double 1's or double 6's.

Good luck, and have fun in your games!

So it sounds like having runes of witnessing against a tyranid player is actually worse for you than just taking the SotW to the face by itself... awesome...

How so?

You roll 4D6, dropping the highest dice. You then see if you pass the psychic test.

This is MUCH better for you than a straight 3D6 roll.

Because, at least the way I'm interpreting it, as it requires you to roll a 4th dice and then drop the highest dice, that dice must receive a value (show a number) prior to being dropped from the addition, which to me would mean it would count towards the double 1's or 6's by virtue of having an assignable value before being removed.

Except that isnt correct, as you have to remove it - you cannot both consider it AND remove it.

You drop the dice, THEN determine if you pass the test / cause perils

ok so I had the steps backwards then. Thanks.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
How so?

You roll 4D6, dropping the highest dice. You then see if you pass the psychic test.

This is MUCH better for you than a straight 3D6 roll.

Yeah, this is certainly a big speed bump against Eldar psychic powers, but when you factor in the fact that you'll also be ignoring perils with a 3+ save thereafter, it's really not that terrible. Of course, while under the effects of SitW, you're going to have about a 50% or less success rate on psychic abilities, depending on whether you're targeting allies or enemies.