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Who would you say is the most 'Fair' and 'honorable' and 'good' space marine chapter and abides by present day standards of the rules war?

I would say Ultramarines due to there genuine concern for the well being of Normal Imperial Citizens, Uriel Ventris an Ultramarine captain was once cornered by a Tyranid Carnifex and about to be killed when a humble guardsman killed the Carnifex with a rocket launcher. A few days later in the middle of a battle this same guardsman was lying wounded on the battlefield bleeding to death after being stabbed by another tyranid when Uriel picked him up and rushed him to the field hospital and the Guardsman was ultimately saved, Uriel then visited the hospital a day later to check on the guardsman that had saved him and gifted him a Purity seal and also made sure his battle brothers assisted the Hospital staff in installing proper cooling and heating systems in the hospital for the guardsmen.

In the book 'Courage and honour' Uriel and his sargeant were also observed to accept the surrender of a lone tau firewarrior who threw down her weapon and surrendered. In the same book after Imperial forces had achieved the upper hand and were defeating the Tau the Ultramarines offered the Tau Ethereal in command the chance to surrender and save his men from being annihilated which he accepted and was allowed to leave with his troops un molested.

And there is a few other things i have read in Ultramarines novels i could share also

Salamaders and SW always - standing up for the common WORKING man is their thing...


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Brother Chaplain Haigh wrote:

and also made sure his battle brothers assisted the Hospital staff in installing proper cooling and heating systems in the hospital for the guardsmen.

LOL and LOL

Now, let someone tell me that astartes didn't have their use after "the great crusade" :-)

"Honorable" depends on perspective.

I'll go with the Executioners. Through deception and a long held brood debt, they fought on the wrong side of the Badab War. The way they honored the Dreadnought Confessor Titus was very honorable in my mind.

By present day standards of war the original 20 chapters, the Grey Knights and probably every successor chapter are despicable war criminals that should swing from the gallows pole.

In the first Heretic, under the direct supervision of their primarch the ultramarines murdered numerous unarmed civilians that objected to being driven from their homes. Then they proceeded to destroy 16 major cities that were at peace with the imperium and as far as they knew were completely in compliance with imperial mandates. They are really no more than a band of cowardly war criminals by any reasonable standard.

In fact all of the legions that participated in the great crusade murdered millions of unarmed civilians for a reason as simple as they did not want to join the imperium.

None of the marine chapters even the ones that are my favorites act in an honorable way. Its always shoot first and never ask questions. They are so indoctrinated by their training that I dont think they have enough free will to act honorably. They completely confuse honor with blind unquestioning obeidience.

In order for a soldier to be honorable their has to be the possibility that they will chose to go against orders if given a command to commit an unethical or immoral act. The space marines do not have this possible choice.

Even the Space Wolves, a chapter that disagreed about the way civilians were treated in the first armageddon war have murdered countless unarmed civilians.

None of them are perfect. But of them all I'd opt for Salamanders.
Keeping civilians safe is a priority for them.

The Celestial Lions.

They're so honourable, the Inquisition killed them off for it!

http://web.archive.org/web/20030828075539/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/clions.html

I think Salamanders too they are all about protecting civillians im currently reading helsreach and they have just turned up to protect the civillians at the dockyards.

Dark Angels are certainly not fair, honorable or good.

Its not chapters or even legions that are honorable. The loyalist legionaries from the traitor legions were certainly honorable. Despite the deaths caused on the embarkation deck that Loken and Torgaddon had caused in rushing Horus to the medicae deck, they along with Garro, Tarvitz, Vipus and Qruze stood against their traiterous kin in the face of certain death, to uphold their oaths to the emperor.
They gave their lives to resist the traitor legions without hesitation. If anything, they had honour. Granted the atroicities committed by the Sons of Horus, World Eaters and the Emperors Children commited on Aereus were horrific and unneccassary, however by that time the warmaster was too far lost to save. That was the beginning of the end.


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But yeah i would say Salamanders overall

 Lynata wrote:
The Celestial Lions.

They're so honourable, the Inquisition killed them off for it!

http://web.archive.org/web/20030828075539/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/clions.html

Read this link - I lol'd

"This horrified the Celestial Lions who roundly condemned Inquisitor Apollyon"

wikipedia wrote:The Hebrew term Abaddon (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎, 'Ǎḇaddōn), or Apollyon an intensive form of the word "destruction", appears as a place of destruction in the Hebrew Bible.

Apollyon = Abaddon.

Do you think the inquisition know?

PredaKhaine wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
The Celestial Lions.

They're so honourable, the Inquisition killed them off for it!

http://web.archive.org/web/20030828075539/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/clions.html

Read this link - I lol'd

"This horrified the Celestial Lions who roundly condemned Inquisitor Apollyon"

wikipedia wrote:The Hebrew term Abaddon (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎, 'Ǎḇaddōn), or Apollyon an intensive form of the word "destruction", appears as a place of destruction in the Hebrew Bible.

Apollyon = Abaddon.

Do you think the inquisition know?

Touché !

On topic I'd vouch for three chapters, the wolves the salamanders and the ultras. Ofc the probleme is that there is many, many chapters we do not know of, so it's hard to tell really.

Carcharodons. Space Sharks fo' lyf.


But on a serious note...
Probably either the Salamanders or the Ultramarines, overall.

I second the Executioners... only joined the wrong side because of honour, fought on their own terms for honour and turned their back on their allies for honour. A Salamander ship eventually surrender to the Executioners and their allies, they allies go to attack the Salamanders and the Executioners protected the Salamanders because attacking a foe while they're down/have surrender is the opposite of honourable, it's down-right cowardly!

Another vote for the Salamanders, too. Aside from the other honourable things they've done there's also that time that they let the Executioners leave the Badab War unhindered because of honour. I doubt any other chapter would have done the same.

My vote goes to White Scars for the most accurate definition of honour as it pertains to battle. Ultramarines and Salamanders are certainly compassionate, but that's not really the same thing. Space Wolves respect martial prowess highly, so you can make an argument for both sides there.

Depends how you define honour...
Space Wolves would easily do some nasty things because they don't regard them as dishonourable...
To them all that matters is the fight.
The Salamanders have a more humanitarian view which would be considered honourable while the Ultramarines have a dedication to duty which is honourable to some but not others.

Executioners, they are also best friends with the salamanders as they kept the salamanders alive and gave them peace. The salamanders liked them so much they held onto their twin homeworlds for safety. The Executioners were given a less worse of a punishment. And they were honored for saving the salamanders from the Astral Claws.

So yes. They are the most honorable alongside the Salamanders.

Crimson Fists.
Pure bosslike.

Finally some Executioners love, have to be the one of the only chapters that killed battle brothers from other chapters over a matter of honour. They repaid a debt to the Astral Claws by rebelling against the Imperium, now that's dedication.

And then manage to come back from the edge, make penance and clear their name. Oh and they are the archetype of a warrior king chapter. Not, oh we own Ultramar so we are kings!, more like every one is a savage and unrelenting killer, who displays honor and respect to adversary's or enemies that have earned it.

Excoriators, if anyone's ever heard of 'em