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So, in the "Charge Move" section of the rulebook (p. 21 top right corner) it says that "Charging models still cannot move through friendly or enemy models, cannot pass through gaps narrower than their base...", but where does the rulebook state this in the first place? I can't find this stated anywhere in the Movement Phase section, not even in the "Models in the Way" section. I understand that you can't move within 1" of an enemy, that's clearly stated, but I can't find any mention of friendly models, etc. anywhere but this quick blurb (not even the FAQ).

Since my 40k group consists of myself and my friend playing in my apartment, it's hard to turn to anybody else. Help me Dakka, you're my only hope!

There is no rule that specifically states it, however the rule is referenced (as you have noticed).

Rats. Okay, I'll just have to go by that. Thanks!

I'm curious about something here, though. This rule is listed in the basic rules. If the advanced rules for a particular unit type(ie, eldar jetbikes or skimmers) specifically says that they MAY move over other units, this would override that rule, right?

For example, a unit of eldar jetbikes assaults a unit of chaos cultists. The cultists are arranged in a formation 3 ranks deep. The jetbikes charge range is long enough to reach the rear rank. They fly over the first 2 ranks and place themselves in base contact with the 3rd rank.

Illustration:

Step 1:
_________________ (Chaos Cultists in formation)
_________________
_________________


^^^^^^ (eldar jetbikes, pre-charge)

Step 2:
^^^^^^_____________
_________________
_________________


I would think that since those are the base rules for charging, and the skimmer/jetbike rules say that they CAN move over enemies and terrain, those rules would override the base rules for charging and allow them to do something like this. Thoughts?



EDIT: Fixing my illustration. lol

They could charge the back row assuming there was enough room for a legal landing between ranks.. aka over 1"

Fragile wrote:
They could charge the back row assuming there was enough room for a legal landing between ranks.. aka over 1"

Yeah, that's the way I've played it, but I was curious to know what people thought here. Placement can be kind of important when you consider HoW attacks.

 BetrayTheWorld wrote:
I'm curious about something here, though. This rule is listed in the basic rules. If the advanced rules for a particular unit type(ie, eldar jetbikes or skimmers) specifically says that they MAY move over other units, this would override that rule, right?l

Moving over is not moving through.

They can't actually - closest model has to move to base the nearest model.

You have to charge the nearest model in the target unit. Intervening units are a different story...

rigeld2 wrote:
They can't actually - closest model has to move to base the nearest model.

Isn't that only for the initial charger?

 insaniak wrote:
You have to charge the nearest model in the target unit. Intervening units are a different story...

He said it was 1 unit in 3 rows.


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 BetrayTheWorld wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
They can't actually - closest model has to move to base the nearest model.

Isn't that only for the initial charger?

Sure. And the next movements have to keep coherency. Go ahead and try to move to the rear of a unit keeping coherency.

rigeld2 wrote:

 BetrayTheWorld wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
They can't actually - closest model has to move to base the nearest model.

Isn't that only for the initial charger?

Sure. And the next movements have to keep coherency. Go ahead and try to move to the rear of a unit keeping coherency.

Well, rear, second row, it ultimately doesn't matter which, just that they can do it. I was specifically asking to determine if this could be used to fine-tune positioning to avoid the multiple-initiative conundrum that came up in another thread, when considering HoW.

I'm pretty sure that the closest model in your unit needs to be in base to base with the closest in his unit. After that, you'll need to make sure that as many models can get into b2b as possible while staying within unit coherency. That may mean using the jump pack/ jet bike to move over some of the other units models. I've had do it many times with a unit of Wraiths/Destroyer Lord... the other guy was trying to keep his Sargent out of the challenge....

Ok, I misread that as 3 different units in rows. No you cannot jump over to land in the rear as you have to charge closest model to closest model. You could get Jetbikes to the rear by landing the next one in the second row and then third rows though.

The Jetbike entry only allows movement over models/terrain during the Movement phase. The entry under Assault does not distinguish between jet and normal bikes. Permissive ruleset says that you cannot jump ranks even with jetbikes on the charge. In 5th it was fluff-i-ly explained as the bikes having to get too close to the ground to fight in combat to move over things

EDIT: Interestingly enough Turbo boost doesn't specify that jetbike ignore terrain/models either, but their Assault Move (2d6 instead of charging) does specify that it is treated as the Movement phase

Sorry the Jetbike entry does not say that they can only move over models during the movement phase.

"Jetbikes can always move over all other models and all terrain freely."

This is found in the movement section because, oddly enough, most movement is done in the movement phase. The wording saying they can always do so gives them permission to do so whenever they move.

So, is this the same with jump pack troops? If the unit I am charging is facing me and is placed against/behind a wall or something as if they were shooting from cover, can I jump over them to attack the rear ranks since I there isn't enough space between the wall and the nearest enemies to land? How does this situation work if I'm supposed to get base to base with the nearest model first?

If you cant get into base to base with the nearest model, you may not charge

Ok cool, now assuming there's only one rank but they are still standing behind the wall, can I leap over them and get into b2b with the nearest model but from the rear?

The first stipulation is you move the shortest straight line path. If there is no other possible way to reach base, then this would be the shortest straight line path

Cool, thanks.

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