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What about Abyssals? The Regen rule could represent the self repairing Terracotta nature of the army?

I think his opponent (brother in law?) Has both kinds of undead with intention to use both lists sometimes.

I'm not as sure that the undead mirror match would be as obnoxious in this game as in whfb though, if both sides have somewhat different forces. Obviously skeletons for terracotta and your opponent may have the same base troops... Didn't you say you had some larger ogre sized unit? There are zombie trolls, werewolves, and wights seem to have been rebranded to large infantry now too. You Chinese dragons... One could be a zombie dragon with vampire rider if you can scrounge up something to ride it... Though the stat lines make no separation between rider and mount like in whfb, so could just use the dragon. I forget what else you have...

The mirror match should be less boring, your have the same units possibly and spells to move them... But units in kow are a lot more similar than fantasy units to begin with. Also no fear in KoW so its not like the .mirror match ribs you both of your primary technique either.

Yes, I would rather steer clear of the undead analog as that is my main opponent and it would in my opinion be more fun to have two different flavored armies facing off against each other.

I really should pick up Uncharted Empires, but Mantics pricing really annoys me and I don't want to order direct from them anymore . They will not get my full $$$. Thewarstore has it, but then a $6.95 shipping charge is more expensive than what a shipping charge should be for a book. I'll give Neal a call on monday to see if he ships media mail as well.

Also just a reminder of the scale difference between my terracotta troops and a mantic orc.

Yeah they're ittle but could still be tough or whatever, being constructs.

The $7 flat rate shipping at warstore lost them most of my small scale business, and MM out the rest of the nails in that coffin. I mean it's not so bad but I won't pay it on small purchases .

I think they also stop selling bits, and that was one of the main things I like to buy from them.

the bits was were I MADE money. There was a game store that used to sell the upgrade sprue for the ravenwing for $7 each or so, I got like 50 from them in one shot, spent the week despruing parts and sold the helmets, and other items to the warstore and another bits dealer for twice what I paid. I then turned around and ordered battle forces and then sold off the beaky helmets and things I didn't want and in the end wound up with 2 battle companies of marines for about $50. It took 3-4 months to finish doing that but I was using the ravenwing pads for my custom chapter, and I have well over 1000 of those pads for whenever I finish the whole chapter.

With time and capital you can make some interesting things happen.

Well that and a desire to build GW kits......which i no longer have, maybe one day....until then my chapter is sitting in their cardboard sanctuary waiting for the last three companies to join them.

In the mean time the washing machine has died , so capital is less than what it could be. Luckily I plan on winning the Powerball this wed. night, so when I'm the sole winner in the $1.3billion dollar prize I'll be able to make actual space marines

Oh and a link for KOW. http://kow2.easyarmy.com/ the unofficial armybuilder to help set up your Orcs, I've played with it a little and seems to work great.

I'll have to give it a try.

Yeah Washing Machine trumps all other expenditures

Yeah, shaping up to be a crappy week. Mashing machine broken, just found out my uncle passed away last night (he was 90, so a good long life, but he was like a second father to me), also this last week we got bad medical news on my dad. Basically waiting for blood work this week. If it's better then all is well, if it hasn't improved then he would need immediate dialysis, which he has refused. That would mean less than two weeks till the next funeral. I can understand his thinking, or at least respect it, but at the same time I don't want that outcome. So production might be lower than anticipated here soon.

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Yeah, shaping up to be a crappy week. Mashing machine broken, just found out my uncle passed away last night (he was 90, so a good long life, but he was like a second father to me), also this last week we got bad medical news on my dad. Basically waiting for blood work this week. If it's better then all is well, if it hasn't improved then he would need immediate dialysis, which he has refused. That would mean less than two weeks till the next funeral. I can understand his thinking, or at least respect it, but at the same time I don't want that outcome. So production might be lower than anticipated here soon.

That sounds like a lot of rough on a platter Theo. Hope all works out better.

Oh dude...that is terrible news indeed. Relatives dying is never a good thing, but two in as many weeks is devastating. I'm hoping your dad turns out to be fine, and you have my sincere condolences for the loss of your uncle.

Damn guy, sorry to hear about it. Definitely got a rough patch recently, we'll be thinking about you guys.

Thanks everyone for the support. As my wife told me last week "Suck it up buttercup, we're in for a rough couple of years with our relatives getting older" She then proceeded to list off about 10 people who we both don't think will be with us in the next 2 years. Been to funerals, but not anyone very close to me in a little while, and relative wise i've been lucky for years.

Well, trying not to dwell on it too much, so onto more important things.....KOW.

Decided to pick up some more fodder for the terracotta army.

4 boxes of the Han Infantry starter set (40 figures in each) so 160 figures for $12.00.....Total. Yes the size is smaller as my scale shot shows, but I'm leaning towards using the elves rules.

So I just added a total of 80 spearmen, 40 Archers and 40 swordsmen to my already massive horde.

Time to start snipping away at the host.

Sorry about your uncle and hoping you get some good news about your dad. That's damn rough.

Looking forward to seeing some paint on those Terracotta Soldiers. Really cool army concept.

Sorry to hear about your uncle. Hope you are holding up alright.

The terracotta guys look great mate and you got a bargan there can't wait to see them. Maybe you could mix them with some watchful studio plastics and have a force of Chinese soldiers fighting alongside the terracotta.


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Sorry to hear about your uncle. Hope you are holding up alright.

The terracotta guys look great mate and you got a bargan there can't wait to see them. Maybe you could mix them with some watchful studio plastics and have a force of Chinese soldiers fighting alongside the terracotta.

Thanks Carlos13 and Da Boss, appreciate the sympathies, I'm doing alright with it but I'm sure that will change at the funeral.

Watchful eye studios did their Kickstarter when I was broke, a week or two sooner and I would have been broke just the same but for a different reason. The only problem is they are 28mm scale and these guys are 20mm scale, so matching them may not work out .

I only cut the single piece models from the sprues, which is half the spearmen and swordsman, but all archers are single piece plastic. The rest might happen eventually, but no rush from me. Here's what they look like

They have since been primed and I did the priming white this time instead of gray to see about dipping with a darker wood stain.
40 spears, 40 archers (two poses) and 20 swordsman. Ther remainder are 40 spearmen with spears facing forward, so a moving rank while the others are at attention. There's also 20 more swordsmen in a weird almost dancing pose, which might not get assembled.

The figures that are alternate two piece poses might be getting hacked up for blown up filler soldiers who have been broken.

I like the idea of corpsified filler

You've really got those guys packed in and my orcs are going to be extra spaced out. It'll be like ogres versus little asian statue men

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Watchful eye studios did their Kickstarter when I was broke, a week or two sooner and I would have been broke just the same but for a different reason. The only problem is they are 28mm scale and these guys are 20mm scale, so matching them may not work out .

I was thinking that the Watchful studios guys could be the actual people of Mantchina and the 20mm guys could be some kind of magical construct or living but not life size statues. Just a thought.

I missed the watchful eye studios kickstarter because I was broke at the time and I would rather Ming Chinese if someone finally releases them than the era the watchful stuff was based in.


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I really like the idea of you having some of them as smashed up or half broken stautes that are still fighting.

Well maybe with my guys all tightly knit together and your orcs all spaced out it will be an even match.

I was totally going to have a row where the cannonball went through them and the feet are still marching forwards .

Ouch. My condolences for your Uncle and I hope it works out for the best with your father, Theo. But your wife's right. Both of our parents here are getting to/already at that point as well, so it's kind of like a morbid waiting game where to just try to maximise the quality time that you have left.

That's a hell of a price on those Terracotta soldiers. I reckon you could very feasibly use larger models as living troops alongside the automatons without having scale issues. It'd even make the two troop types more distinct.

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Well maybe with my guys all tightly knit together and your orcs all spaced out it will be an even match.

I was totally going to have a row where the cannonball went through them and the feet are still marching forwards .

That's awesome, if you don't end up doing that I will never forgive your even better have the cannonball somewhere on the base.

@azazelx, I hadn't thought about the two sizes that way it might work.
@carlos13th, I have a great idea I hope I can pull off which would have the soldier on the first rank be just the legs left, the next rank be legs and crotch, third rank have just a bit more and the back rank be almost a full soldier with the ball embedded in his chest, maybe some cracks.

The price on them was definitely right with miniaturemarket having the boxes at 80% off in the store, so $3 for 40 mini-minis

If I do decide to do the two different sizes, then I can play with the basing a bit more, as it is I was thinking of just using the trays you see and urging them to size, but that may change now.

So you have been looking into 15mm minis Theo?

not really looking into 15mm minis, Ibought the Arcane legion stuff for price before seeing their size. Then decided to go crazy for tons of them and just say were the lilipution (spelling?) faction. I mean old-old warhammer had the midget race (can't remember their name), but they have been lost in time with the zoats and squats. I think i'll just stay with this size for now as i really like how they rank up.

Well I got a few minutes so I was looking through the army entries, still haven't bothered getting uncharted empires, they want the same $$$ for the digital edition as the printed edition

Anyways I looked at Baselia, even though I dislike the models, but I think it might fit the terracotta troops well. Though it says that they have shields I think the stone body makes up for that . THe spearmen and swordsmen fit well as Men at arms, and the bowmen could be considered the crossbow unit. As for Paladins, well the Arcane legion Han troops have a samurai contingent that I think could make nice paladins, or i have Legend of the five rings Samurai. They also have a Paladin riding dragon which would allow me to field the Chinese dragon. All troops also have the iron resolve characteristic as well, which kind of makes sense with the terra cotta troops. Iron resolve says if your nerve test comes back as steady, then you regain one lost nerve point. To me this would mean that one of the broken constructs reassembles itself, or wasn't as badly damaged as was thought.

In the mean time i need advice.
Heres how the guys looked when I was painting them grey over a rusty brown primer, also given a strong tone bath.

Looks good, but also looks more stone/chiseled than cast out of terracotta.

Here's primed brown guys with just a quick ink wash, right side is black wash, left side is a red wash.

I kind of like the black washed guys the way they are, but I think I'll hit them with a little drybrush of brown (a slightly different shade for contrast) in some areas and possibly the strong tone. I am planning on grassy bases to match my playing table. Also for color and actual painting without cheapskating do you think I should paint the handles of the spears? The real spears were bronze I believe, but I don't know If I should just do the terracotta all over?

From 3 feet bronze and terracotta aren't that different honestly. And its a lot of extra work because for the bronze to come out well you'll probably have to paint them black first =/ Not sure I would bother if you.

Basilleans sounds like a fitting choice.

FWIW, bronze goes really well over red/brown. In the same way that I base coat black for iron/silver/etc, I always basecoat red-brown for gold/brass/bronze/copper.

Oh... maybe I should be trying that before I run my mouth.

It does make sense in retrospect, I'll have to give it a try, some of my golds are pretty runny and *hate* black.

Have you tried using a brown wash?