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I was playing a game the other day and had my opponent claim that max potential combat resolution out of a challenge was plus +5. I told him I thought it was (wounds of character) + overkill or in this case it was 1 wound on the champion and +5 for my overkill for a total of 6.

The scenario was his Black Orks charged my Swift Slaying Doombull he had just eaten a unit of archers, the doombull was over charged to 9 attacks at this point. He challenged with the champ thinking overkill would limit me to a reso of 5 which would cause me to lose the combat because he had charge +3 ranks + Standard and Musician breaks the tie. We could not come to an agreement on this. I still think it is max overkill of +5 + any normal wounds you did. For instance if you were fighting a Warboss with 3 wounds you could technically get 8 resolution 3 wounds plus 5 overkill.

Who was right?

We ended up dicing for it and I lost, I also couldn't stomp because technically I was in the challenge. The doombull hung tough but lost his extra 4 attacks which was annoying.

It's a maximum of double the wounds of the model killed OR +5. So the most CR you can get for killing a 1-wound champion is +2 (one for the kill, one for the overkill). If the challenge is against a 4-wound Ogre, the max you can score is +5 (4 for the kill, again +1 for the overkill).

 Vulcan wrote:
It's a maximum of double the wounds of the model killed OR +5. So the most CR you can get for killing a 1-wound champion is +2 (one for the kill, one for the overkill). If the challenge is against a 4-wound Ogre, the max you can score is +5 (4 for the kill, again +1 for the overkill).

Erm, no.
You get CR for every wound you cause (1 for champ etc), then up to an additional 5 points, 1 for each overkill wound caused...
So 10 attacks against a 5 wound model could get +10 to CR

 Vulcan wrote:
It's a maximum of double the wounds of the model killed OR +5. So the most CR you can get for killing a 1-wound champion is +2 (one for the kill, one for the overkill). If the challenge is against a 4-wound Ogre, the max you can score is +5 (4 for the kill, again +1 for the overkill).

Where are you finding this? Page 53 has overkill rules. Here is a quote.

If a character fighting in a challenge kills his opponent and scores more wounds than his enemy has remaining, then each excess wound scores+1 combat result, up to a maximum of +5.

This is the wording under overkill. Our argument was the +5 is max result of the challenge or the +5 is max result of the overkill? What you just quoted is completely foreign to both of us, we found no such rules.



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 japehlio wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
It's a maximum of double the wounds of the model killed OR +5. So the most CR you can get for killing a 1-wound champion is +2 (one for the kill, one for the overkill). If the challenge is against a 4-wound Ogre, the max you can score is +5 (4 for the kill, again +1 for the overkill).

Erm, no.
You get CR for every wound you cause (1 for champ etc), then up to an additional 5 points, 1 for each overkill wound caused...
So 10 attacks against a 5 wound model could get +10 to CR

This is the way I thought it works.

Over-kill is the wounds beyond the normal wounds.
You're in a challenge with my dragon (you killed the rider last round), and do 6 wounds to the 6 wound dragon, would you really think that only counts as 5?

It's however many the enemy could take, plus up to 5 additional which are over-kill.

An ogre champ can give up 8 points of combat res (his 3 wounds, +5 over kill).

-Matt

+5 is OVERkill max. Wounds of the challenger is base.

So yeah, champion = 1, overkill = 5, total of 6.

Its whatever the wounds of the model in question has +5.

A HE prince riding a Dragon could give up 14 points of combat rez, 3 from his own wounds, 6 from the dragon, and 5 for overkill. Although I am not sure how many models could pull this off in one round, maybe a Red Fury Vampire.

Or someone with HKB and good dice.

That too.

Killing him with a Heroic Killing blow wont give you the +5 CR automatically tho.

It will if you roll two or more killing blows.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its whatever the wounds of the model in question has +5.

A HE prince riding a Dragon could give up 14 points of combat rez, 3 from his own wounds, 6 from the dragon, and 5 for overkill. Although I am not sure how many models could pull this off in one round, maybe a Red Fury Vampire.

For a Doombull to pull this off he would need a minimum of 9 prior wins in rounds of close combat and some wicked good dice.

The first two paragraphs of text on Page 103 tell you everything you need to know. It is the amount of wounds of the slain model, plus one for every extra wound caused (this latter part has a maximum of 5). So, the maximum extra CR you could gain is equal to the wounds of the challenged model + 5. In this instance it would therefore be 6.

tgf wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its whatever the wounds of the model in question has +5.

A HE prince riding a Dragon could give up 14 points of combat rez, 3 from his own wounds, 6 from the dragon, and 5 for overkill. Although I am not sure how many models could pull this off in one round, maybe a Red Fury Vampire.

For a Doombull to pull this off he would need a minimum of 9 prior wins in rounds of close combat and some wicked good dice.

Or he just needs everbleed and needs to be stupidly lucky.

Any character with a beeath weapon could do this in theory