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Hi so after a ton of great advice from this sites community i have come to my necron list, but now I am wanting to add in a 500 point ally. I have come up with 3 lists of allies that may work. Any advice on which one is the most effective would be awesome!

My necron Army list[u]

HQ
Overlord - Warscythe, MSS , Rez orb, phase shifter, SW, Royal court
-2 x despairtek
- 1 x destructek w/ eldrich lance & solar pulse
- Necron Lord -Warscythe, rez orb, MSS

ELITES
x 5 deathmarks (1x despairtek) ---> nightcythe
x 5 deathmarks (1x despairtek) ---> nightcythe

TROOPS
x 8 warriors in Ghost Arc - Destructek
x 8 warriors in Ghost Arc - Lord
x 20 warriors w/ Overlord

HEAVY SUPPORT
x 3 Annihilation Barge

POINTS - 1748

Is this a strong enough list? or should i use allies...

[b]Tau allies
x 1 Ethereal
x 1 Riptide
x 10 firewarriors (markerlight)
x 11 firewarriors (markerlight)
x 1 Aegis defence line

OR

Chaos SM
x 1 Chaos Lord
x 10 cultist
x 9 cultist
x 1 Heldrake

OR

Grey Knights
x 1 Draigo
x 10 Paladins

Thanks for looking!

I am a big fan of the Tau list. Fire warriors with carbines and pulse rifles will bog down opposing armies with extra firing and pinning. A Riptide can simply be devastating. However, with the general lack of melee support I like the idea of Grey Knights allies...

When you play, are you getting into a lot of CC? Missing the ability to dakka something to death? Getting nailed by psykers?

For me, the purpose of allies is to shore up a weakness (eg CC or anti-Psykers) in the main army.

If you aren't having a problem, I don't think you need the allies.

What are you planning to take out to free up your 500pts? Or are you playing 2250?

My plan is to try and steer clear of cc as much as possible and use the deathscythe combo to deal with anything that tries to cc me.

In regards to the allies, I would go for 2000 pt list and take the large warrior blobs out.

For the tau list I would reduce my warrior squads to 8x in a ghost arc (2 of these), and use the tau list above
.. Gk will be a little harder to switch out tho .

For csm I'm basically paying for minimum troops in order to bring the heldrake

I agree with MarkCron. CYA all the way. . . When I run allies with my Necron army I take two Blood Angel assault squads led by a Libi and add from there depending on the points I am playing at (Geheena Campaign. . . ). However, Tau with their new codex and some the the buff they received with it are very appealing. Having an Ethereal within 12" of your fire warriors gives you extra shots with pulse weapons. Supporting fire for units within 6" of your other Tau units. The Riptide and their special Nova rules and the fact that they have some pretty awesome weapons. Plus you also have the Defense Line which is my favorite fortification. Out of the options you posted, I say go with the Tau.

But, run what makes you happy.

I would say go with the Heldrake or Riptide depending on which model you like best, but shave the allies down to the minimum required to get the model.

So, in the Tau list, I'd cut the fire warriors down to min size and ditch the Aegis. Give the firewarriors markerlights to buff the riptide. For a commander, depending on points, I'd almost be inclined to ditch the Ethereal and get Farsight to give you more high powered long range shooting. I reckon that would supplement your Necron list better.

hth

Is the current 1750 pt necron force good enough without the allies? or regarding the Tau allies...How would you change this build would cutting down the warriors to 6 models per unit suffice or would that be to easy a kill for my opponent


Also, which unit do you think would work better in my army? the heldrake or riptide? I love both models equally

Thanks for all the help

Sorry to be vague, but it depends what you want to do with it. I think it is certainly good enough for casual games.

The big weakness I can see is a lack of counter CC once the GA get popped. It isn't fun when your blob gets Sweeping Advanced (particularly when your Overlord is in there) (Been there done that!).

Basically you have a CronAir style list which generally are pretty competitive.

tbh, the only allies I'd add to Necron list to increase effectiveness is to give Anti psyker capability. If you want to do it because the models are cool then go for it!

Do you think 6 wraiths would help my cc situation, the only problem is that the friend I play with use grey knights. So I shy away from cc haha

Disregarding allies, do you have any ideas how I can change my 1750 necron list to make it more competitive? Besides using 8 fliers

Avoiding CC makes sense! Really, with multiple night scythes, two death & despair squads plus anni barges and a shed load of shots, playing the right tactics (ie running away from CC) will probably do more good than adding wraiths in this list.

Couple of possible suggestions (bearing in mind that I don't play in tournaments but do play some tough lists) would be:

a) Put the overlord in a GA and put the lord into the blob. That way if the blob gets into CC you don't lose the warlord from a sweeping advance.

b) ditch the phase shifter and res orb from the overlord. That gives you 75 points. 30 points to add veil of darkness to one despair tek (more on that in a second) balance of 45 points to change the overlord group to immortals and put them in the spare Scythe. (second GA goes with the Blob - actually, put the destructek in it! while you are at it).

Putting the veiltek with the deathmarks means you can start them on the table if you want (sometimes they won't come in from reserve when you want them too!) which gives you a better chance of first blood.

So, now you have tougher immortals with the overlord in a NS for objective clearing and grabbing, still have the ghost arks (one is now a destructek gunboat) to regen warriors plus you can seize first blood with Deathmarks on the table (if you want!).

hth.

I do have 10 immortals (telsa) so I could do that , but wouldnt having two groups of 5 deathmarks/despairtek in a nightscythe allow me to mark 2 units for the +2 wounding? or would that be overkill? I agree with you about the lord in the blob! good call!

thanks again!

Sorry, my post wasn't clear.

You should still have 2 x 5 Deathmarks, one group with a despairtek (ie no veil) in a nightscythe and one with a veiltek.

The veiltek unit would primarily give you an opportunity to take first blood because you deploy that unit on the table then use the veil to move it to where you want in turn 1.

that actually sounds like a great plan! for the immortals do you recommend tesla or gauss

Personally, tesla all the way.

Ok sounds good, so this is kind of what our idea of the list would be?

HQ
Overlord - Warscythe, MSS, SW, Royal court
-2 x despairtek
- 1 x destructek w/ eldrich lance & solar pulse
- Necron Lord -Warscythe, rez orb, MSS

ELITES

x 5 deathmarks (1x despairtek) ---> nightcythe
x5 deathmark (1x veiltek)

TROOPS
x 8 warriors in Ghost Arc - Destructek
x 8 warriors in Ghost Arc - Overlord
x10 warriors w/ lord
x 10 tesla immortals ---> nightcythe
HEAVY SUPPORT
x 3 Annihilation Barge

pts = 1743

Yep. Looking at it, I suggest you put the overlord with the immortals and the lord in the ghost ark.

I reckon having the overlord in the NS would be helpful for clearing an objective late game.

sorry for not replying for a while. do you think adding in another nightscythe would be a good add? I dont want to be hated by everyone and have 10 flyers, but i feel like 3 is fine

In your list the GA seem to work better, because they can regen warriors.

I don't think 3 flyers is any worse than 2.