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so after a long break I finally got back into wargaming. i currently have a 1000 points worth of crons, and have been playing with a group every saturday. The main armies out there are orks, space marines, tau, and tryanids. As far as the space marines go i think i have seen at least one army of each chapter with there own codex. I'm trying to expand to 1750 more then likely more then that. With the way prices are i don't wanna buy something im just gonna shelf. This is my current list.

Overlord
warriors x 15- Ghost ark ( ghost ark is just there for support)
Immortals x 10- Night scythe
Scarabs x 5
anny barge x 2

Any help to expand my army or point me in the right direction would be awesome. Also are the wraiths any good at this point? They seem like really nice units. I would like to build a list that revolves around triarch stalker and giving twin linked to say 15 or 20 warriors in rapid fire.

If you are looking for a stalker list, what about this one from khaosking

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/522791.page

Alright thanks for that link i came up with a list of my own. trying to cover all my bases as well as synrgize with my army. Be gentle list virgin

HQ
Overlord-MS, SW, Orb, scythe
Court
Cryptek x 3
Despair- veil
Dest-solar pulse
Storm- lighting field
Total 310

Elites
Deathmarks-despair here
Stalker x 2-heatray
Total 395

Troops
Mortals x 10- tesla (Desto goes here)
Warriors x 15 (ghost ark for support) ( Storm goes here)
Total 580

Fast Attack
scarabs x 5
Wraiths x 3 (1 whip)
total 190

Heavy support
Anny Barge x 3 (Tesla)
Total 270

Total Army 1745

Couple of suggestions:

a) Switch the position of the stormtek and the destructek and put the destructek in the Ghost Ark. Logic being the destructek is better protected plus it will give the tesla immortals some anti vehicle capability.

b) I really like the thought of TL the Deathmark - nasty. I'd be very tempted to ditch the FA and add another set of deatmarks in a NS (because the Wraiths and scarabs don't get diddly from the stalkers - plus imho you don't have enough wraiths or scarabs).

hth

thanks i was also drafting up another list mix between shooty and wraith wing. Also why have a deathmark in a transport when they deepstrike in. And with flyers haveing to move a min of 18 in i have found it kinda hard to pick up units ones they have been deployed off the scythe.

HQ (160pts)
Destroyer Lord (160pts)
Mindshackle Scarabs (20pts) (Mindshackle Scarabs), Sempiternal Weave (15pts) (Sempiternal Weave), Warscythe

Elites (95pts)
Deathmarks (95pts)
5x Deathmark (95pts)

Troops (745pts)
Necron Immortals (270pts)
10x Necron Immortal (170pts)
Reanimation Protocols
10x Tesla Carbine (Tesla Weapon)
Night Scythe (100pts)

Necron Warriors (230pts)
10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
Reanimation Protocols
10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)
Night Scythe (100pts)

Necron Warriors (245pts)
Ghost Ark (115pts)
Living Metal, Quantum Shielding, Repair Barge
2x Gauss Flayer Array (Gauss Weapon)
10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
Reanimation Protocols
10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Fast Attack (480pts)
x4 wraiths- 2 whip
x4 wraiths- 2 whip
x4 wraiths-2 whip

Heavy Support (270pts)
Annihilation Barge (90pts)
Annihilation Barge (90pts)
Annihilation Barge (90pts)

1750 on the dot


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Took your advice and added the extra unit of deathmarks good call came to 1750 on the head

In your mixed list, while I know that you can deepstrike the Deathmarks, the unit loses a lot of punch without the abyssal staff (being Str 10 and AP1). In your mixed list suggest you swap the deathmarks for extra wraiths.

Alright added 2 more wraiths and then added whip to the two units of 5 so x5 wraiths 3 whips

Hope you have fun playing the lists!

Keen to hear how the stalker list went, thinking about getting a couple myself.

i've personally seen them tear some troops apart. I got a friend at my local game store that runs just one which game me the idea. He runs extremely heavy on shooty lists though. If i remember right he runs 1 stalker with almost 80 warriors. For the most part he runs the old skool 4th edition warrior list and its amazing. I've seen him hit 100% with 2 squads its reatarded

Damn.....now I have to get one to try.

I'm going out tomorrow to play at local store i got 1 stalker and ill have to sub for the other one so ill let you know how it goes. Since i don't have the deathmarks now im just gonna run as many warriors as i can in groups of 10-15 and see if the deathmarks are really needed. Ill being playing against nids, space wolves, dark angels, and orks so pretty much all different play styles. Another idea i had was possibly running a few less warriors and trying some tesla immortals. Thought process with all the twin link its more then likely some of my rerolls will be 6's causing more hits and more dice for wounds we'll see.

Alright so i played a few games yesterday with the stalkers and i have to say i think i love iot more then wraithwing or anything else i have played. I ran 3 squads of 15 warriors and then to smaller squads for objectives. If you do wanna try this build i would highly reccommend giving the stalkers the twin-linked gauss cannons. Adds to the range and lets you just keep them in the back and keep up the targeting relay as long as possible. The best rolls with the twin link i rolled about 90% hits on 60 dice which you can image what i did to the two units i was shooting at lol. I highly recommend trying out this army build Mark

I've been checking out prices already!!

The game sounded like great fun. Good thing Necrons don't have supporting fire (well good for everyone else!)

edit : fast fingers - edit to add the additonal sentence

i know right supporting fire would be ratarded Yes the games were a lot of fun the last month or so i've been running wraith wing so it was a nice change of pace. Also i forgot to mention it was kinda cheese to have my anny barges with twin link str 6 cannons.

I'm not a big stalker fan...sorry. I have one and tried it with the heavy guass cannon to help twin link the rest of my army. I think 150pts could be better spent else where.

I'd also drop one of the units of wraiths and max out the other two to six. Then pile in as many scarabs as you can. If your opponent has no armor then you have a tarpit unit. I'd say stick the DSLord with one of the wraith units but if you do that you may want to get yourself another HQ to be your warlord 'cause we will die in cc and you don't need to be giving away free victory points :(

Not a big fan of the ark either. Seems like an over costed rhino and in the new meta, with the exception of flyers (except against tau), your vehicles better pack a punch, i.e. ani barges.

With the exception of the ark you have no real way of moving troops around. You have a 10 man immortal squad in a NS and a 10 man warrior squad in a NS but I doubt they'll stay their long and that's a lot of fire power to spend the game zooming around which means there's a good chance they'll be in harms way early on (as they should be). What I do is fly 3 NS with a 5 man warrior squad + stormtek. They zoom around all game and turn 5 they beam down on an objective and blast away and either hold or contest an objective. If there's some armor that must go then they can beam down near it and glance it to death thanks to the storm tek and one or two 6's from the warriors.

Also, a good tactic to use with the ani barges that really piss off people with flyers (like myself) that I use a lot is to move the anni barges the full 12" move and try and get into the flyer's hind quarters. Ok, so you can only snap fire so what? You hit on 6's anyway and you're TL AND you get to add two hits if you mange to roll a 6 on 8 dice (I say that 'cause you're rerolling 4 dice). Great against flyers and causing a grounding test minimally against FMC. I had a 10 man unit of warriors ground a DP where upon a unit of wraiths ate him for lunch

I have been running a stalker as of late and it has been doing very well. I still need to test it vs more armies but I am happy with its performance up to this point. Here is the list I have been running.

HQ
Overlord - WS,MSS,RO,SW
RC
Stormtek - LF
Necronlord - RO
Despairtek - AS
Destructtek - Lance
HQ2
Destroyer Lord - SW,MSS

T1
10 x Immortals w/tesla
T2
15 x warrior
T3
9 x warrior in ghost ark

FA
6 x wraiths - 3 w/whip coils

Elites
5 x Deathmarks in a Nightscythe
1 x Stalker - Heatray

HS
2 x Annihation barge


Olord and Stromtek go with the immortal group, destructek in the ark with 9 warriors, Nlord with the 15 warrior unit and Despairtek, of course, rides with the Deathmarks.

I can say that I am not 100% sure on the heatray vs TL heavy gauss cannon. I need to get some more play and try the gauss and see how it turns out. The heat did perform well, but I have managed a double miss with them and I want to play with the extended range of the gauss.

necron99 wrote:I'm not a big stalker fan...sorry. I have one and tried it with the heavy guass cannon to help twin link the rest of my army. I think 150pts could be better spent else where.

PM me if you want to sell yours

necron99 wrote:I'd also drop one of the units of wraiths and max out the other two to six. Then pile in as many scarabs as you can. If your opponent has no armor then you have a tarpit unit. I'd say stick the DSLord with one of the wraith units but if you do that you may want to get yourself another HQ to be your warlord 'cause we will die in cc and you don't need to be giving away free victory points :(

Not a big fan of the ark either. Seems like an over costed rhino and in the new meta, with the exception of flyers (except against tau), your vehicles better pack a punch, i.e. ani barges.

With the exception of the ark you have no real way of moving troops around. You have a 10 man immortal squad in a NS and a 10 man warrior squad in a NS but I doubt they'll stay their long and that's a lot of fire power to spend the game zooming around which means there's a good chance they'll be in harms way early on (as they should be). What I do is fly 3 NS with a 5 man warrior squad + stormtek. They zoom around all game and turn 5 they beam down on an objective and blast away and either hold or contest an objective. If there's some armor that must go then they can beam down near it and glance it to death thanks to the storm tek and one or two 6's from the warriors.

The Stormteks are a great Anti Vehicle unit. I'm finding I use them more and more as well.

necron99 wrote:Also, a good tactic to use with the ani barges that really piss off people with flyers (like myself) that I use a lot is to move the anni barges the full 12" move and try and get into the flyer's hind quarters. Ok, so you can only snap fire so what? You hit on 6's anyway and you're TL AND you get to add two hits if you mange to roll a 6 on 8 dice (I say that 'cause you're rerolling 4 dice). Great against flyers and causing a grounding test minimally against FMC. I had a 10 man unit of warriors ground a DP where upon a unit of wraiths ate him for lunch

Nice.

Here's my 1850 list (probably for NOVA). The warlord OL flies around in one of the NS also a potential line breaker point and safe guarding my warlord. The Despairtek runs with the immortal DS ing where/if needed. The DLord runs with one of the wraiths wings. The stormteks attach to each of the warriors units in the NS. So lots of tesla, AA, flyers and CC going on here as well as a plan for most of the extra points (line breaker, denying slay the warlord) and achieving objective dominance.

HQ: Destroyer Lord, Sempiternal Weave, Mindshackle Scarabs, Resurrection Orb
HQ: Overlord , Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Resurrection Orb

: Royal Court
1 Royal Court
1 Harbinger of the Storm
1 Harbinger of the Storm
1 Harbinger of the Storm
1 Harbinger of Despair,Veil of Darkness

Fast Attack: 6 Canoptek Scarabs
Fast Attack: 5 Canoptek Wraiths x2 whips
Fast Attack: 5 Canoptek Wraiths x2 whips

Troops: 7 Immortals
Troops: 5 Warriors + Night Scythe
Troops: 5 Warriors + Night Scythe
Troops: 5 Warriors + Night Scythe

Heavy Support: 3x Annihilation Barge

@MarkCron - I looked on ebay to see what they were selling for and you may be better served just going there. I saw some for $25. Mine's painted to table top quality but I wouldn't part with it for less than I paid for it :(

Thanks @necron99 - I checked ebay already!

I don't know if I like stalkers esp more than 1. For 150pts you get so much more shooting for with other Codex options plus they can be bogged down in melee.