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Who was the company that made the old line of Gamesworkshop paints that were made in France? Especially the one that made the Inks?

I suspect you mean Coat D'Arms, but can't be sure as I think they're British.

Ps Whoo 1000 posts!!

Just wish they made Magenta Ink... loved that stuff.

no the jar says product of France so not British. Doesn't specify company.

Only reason for this is I'm trying to find a replacement for my almost gone supply of Red Inc which has colors not easily duplicated and defiantly not by Citadel Paints. Have tried many of the online suggestions with no success, even took it to a art store and had two people look at it, and they were perplexed at its properties and hue, it has a true crimson red color, is the consistency of water and has a slight odor which stumped them. In the next couple of weeks I hope to take it into the Stores headquarters which is in downtown Seattle which has a team that specialized in mixing inks to get exact colors and hopefully i can find something.

That is why I wanted the company to see if i could find the ink online and save myself the hassle.

Possibly...

http://www.sennelier.fr/Ang/Welcome_1.html

I had talked with them in the past regarding custom formulations of paint, but ultimately went with a company in the US.

All they sell off the shelf are artist paints though, no fluid formulations.

Try Coat D Arms, as mentioned

Here is a link to a US seller of the paints, and the ink selection (all the old inks are there)

http://www.scalecreep.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=2501_2502_2504

The CDA fantasy paints are the old-school citadels, same colors, slightly thinner consistency than the new GW paints.

http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/index.php?cPath=21_39&sort=0a&page=2&osCsid=9acb564fb28daecc6b1c7c9ada077331

Coat d'Arms would be the old french supplier.
They do Ink washes and 'super washes' (unsure what they mean by that) still, and red is one of the choices.
I suggest you try those
They should be the same as the old citadels in flip top hexagonal pots? When they moved to the screw tops i believe they moved to a British supplier? and have just changed again to another British supplier with the most recent range.

thanks
ill order the red ink, and if it works ill post a article going over the whole ordeal for me

I hope that is them. But I remember (and still have it) the blue cap, hex, flip-top range has a red wash... It's very red, but not dark, IE it doesn't shade for anything. But it will slightly darken your red painted areas and does make them pop. Now the red ink I remember came out in the first iteration of the screw top super-hard and very clear plastic pots. The inks had white lids and it's the first showing of the chestnut and red inks.... Glorious red ink. Shaded my world eaters like a boss. The red and chestnut inks are the only pops I think I truly used up completely, though the pot design didn't help matters. Regardless, I hope it is CDA, as I see both red and chestnut ink on those sites... And Deadly Nightshade... And I'm going to be stocking up if it's the right company.

no this ink is the hard clear plastic but with the flip top like this, and it's really too bad they stopped making it because their red is too brown or orange for my tastes and this ink turned my blood angels the perfect crimson...also it was actually called red ink.

JWMarines wrote:
I hope that is them. But I remember (and still have it) the blue cap, hex, flip-top range has a red wash... It's very red, but not dark, IE it doesn't shade for anything. But it will slightly darken your red painted areas and does make them pop. Now the red ink I remember came out in the first iteration of the screw top super-hard and very clear plastic pots. The inks had white lids and it's the first showing of the chestnut and red inks.... Glorious red ink. Shaded my world eaters like a boss. The red and chestnut inks are the only pops I think I truly used up completely, though the pot design didn't help matters. Regardless, I hope it is CDA, as I see both red and chestnut ink on those sites... And Deadly Nightshade... And I'm going to be stocking up if it's the right company.

Coat d'arms is the company that made GW's first line of paints.
(The pot on the right)



Some would say (Myself included) that these were the best paints GW ever had. I honesty would go back to Coat D'arms myself, but am currently working with Reaper paints which are fitting my needs better now.

AS a footnote, I still have many pots of the original paints and they are still working beautifully. Paint quality aside, these were definitely the best paint pots that GW ever used.

This might have the ink you're looking for :

http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_105&products_id=1509&osCsid=345263eec961216f957c23a9fc3aff9e

And the whole range for reference :

http://www.blackhat.co.uk/coat_darms/paintcolours.php

There was one era of citadel paints between the soft plastic flip-top hex bottles (which I still have and use) and the hard plastic hex with a flip top built into the screw top. They were the same hard plastic pot but the lid was only screw top, it had a domed top and you would have to squeeze the lid area to crack the paint dried in the threads so you could unscrew the lid at all... I had callouses just from those bottles.

Haha, I have some of the screw tops. I bought them on clearance at a hobbytown USA when I first started buying paints. The crazy thing is, that paint sealed in the threads keeps the paint like new, so even though I found out they're like 10+ years old they're like freaking new inside.

HairySticks wrote:
Coat d'Arms would be the old french supplier.

You'd think so, but no. Coat D'arms is the current name for the for the original range of GW paints. It's not the name of the company that makes it.

The un-named french company produced the range of paints that replaced what is now Coat D'arms. These were the bolter-shell bottles, both the screw top and later flip-top lids.

I believe a new company is producing the paint now since the change to the smaller, round pots.

I have tried the Coat D Arms ink and its nowhere near the citadel red ink that I have. I heard from a art store that it might be a shellac based medium? It would really help to know the company games workshop used after coat d arms

The only shellac inks I've ever used were dye based, and wouldnt be suitable for models, unless sealed between 2 coats of gloss varnish. Because of them bleeding through paints.
Edit just did a quick google, and am reading this at the moment;
http://taleofpainters.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/review-citadel-paint-range.html
Might be useful.

Magenta Ink .... I have that ... god only knows what I would use if for tho ... its just sitting there together with Dark Angels Ink i think ...

Lucinator wrote:
I have tried the Coat D Arms ink and its nowhere near the citadel red ink that I have. I heard from a art store that it might be a shellac based medium? It would really help to know the company games workshop used after coat d arms

that would have to do with the fact because either:
1.) GW may have gone and said "do this to your paints/inks". while the supplier contract was in place;
2.) GW stopped using Coat d' arms as a supplier because they discontinued some products;
3.) Coat d' arms changed their formulas when GW dropped them; or,
4.) formulas for paints and inks change over time, dye lots change, mix ratios might be off by a bit.... any number of reasons why the formula might be off. including and not limited to your memory of what the color is supposed to look like.

If you are looking for the color of ink that's an incredibly bright red, i mean INCREDIBLY bright red, try privateer press' line of inks. You can always water the ink down, and add black to it, or whatever other colors of inks to tone the color down.


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 nettraper wrote:
Magenta Ink .... I have that ... god only knows what I would use if for tho ... its just sitting there together with Dark Angels Ink i think ...

There's only 2 things i'm sore over: Midnight blue (so dark it looks purple when painted on black, but clearly blue when painted over white). and the green ink.

Well according to the link i posted above; The same company produce Coat D'Arms, P3 and 'Foundry Paints' (never heard of that one myself)
Its a company called HMG, based in Manchester UK, The blogger speculates that the recent change over to a UK supplier might well be back to HMG from the previous French suppliers.

Edit; Also over years many paints are forced to change, often with evironmental awareness, For example, the master painters such as da vinci or picasso probably used lead white, we cant, il give you 1 guess why (modern whites are usually titanium oxide)
It often comes up that a pigment is suprisingly toxic, or is sourced in a non environmentally friendly manner and has to be changed for the next best thing. Could even be down to price of materials, a certain pigment might experience a steep rise in cost due to scarcity and be swapped out for something cheaper and more available.

 poda_t wrote:
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2.) GW stopped using Coat d' arms as a supplier because they discontinued some products;

The reason GW gave at the time was that the bottles the old paints were in couldn't be bulk filled by machine, so they couldn't keep up with demand.

So far as I'm aware they stuck with the exact same paints and inks as GW had used, but these will be different to the paint colours that came afterwards.

 insaniak wrote:

 poda_t wrote:
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2.) GW stopped using Coat d' arms as a supplier because they discontinued some products;

The reason GW gave at the time was that the bottles the old paints were in couldn't be bulk filled by machine, so they couldn't keep up with demand.

So far as I'm aware they stuck with the exact same paints and inks as GW had used, but these will be different to the paint colours that came afterwards.

right, there is that too. that hadn't actually occurred to me... i found that a strange reason though, as I never experienced difficulties getting the colors i wanted in that line of paint. I noticed that i couldn't find any darn midnight blue, but.... that, incidentally, was when they were in the process of discontinuing the line...

having checked thoroughly I can confirm that the French company was not CoatDarms so I'm back to square one. If anybody knows the name of the company that would help.

During my time at GW, I believe the manufacturer was HMG.

http://www.hmgpaint.com/

I dont know exactly, some awesome french company apparently.

try army painter, it's the good stuff from france. the same company, i can tell by the paint consistency and the fact that the washes are exactly the same.

My all time fav citadels were the Hexagonal flip tops, were they Coat D'Arms (HMG from Manchester)? Or was that another producer?

 Alleton wrote:
Some would say (Myself included) that these were the best paints GW ever had. I honesty would go back to Coat D'arms myself, but am currently working with Reaper paints which are fitting my needs better now.

AS a footnote, I still have many pots of the original paints and they are still working beautifully. Paint quality aside, these were definitely the best paint pots that GW ever used.

Agreed, those old paint pots were the best. They had that little "shelf" king of thing inside the cap that you could just dip your brush into that if you only needed a little paint. I use the Reaper paints now (won a full set a few years back at a local tourney). When they were first rolling out their Master Series line, I remember they told me that the base of the paint was made by Sherwin Williams. Don't know if that's still true or not.

Won't India Ink from art supply shops do the trick?

The original GW inks came in a set called the 'Expert Paint Set' and came in tiny dropper bottles that look like baby Vallejo bottles.
There were only 9 colour options & you couldn't buy them separately. I still have & use them. The purple is very powerful.
The paints at that time were round pots, very like the one FW use for their weathering powders, & didn't have any labels on them & I have some of them too. Next were the round pots with labels. After that came the hex pots with flip top lids. They then GW changed manufacturer and came up with the specially drying-while-stored-correctly range in the bolter shell posts. Next change was what I believe was their best range with the introduction of the foundation paints & Develan mud. Now we have too many colours IMO & unlike Pokemon, don't try & catch them all.

It all depends on which previous range you're on about.