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Hey guys, so i was going through the rules and noticed that any independent character that joins a deathmarks unit will benefit from the Hunters from Hyperspace rule. Now that being said, Imotekhs Lord of the Storm ability would benifit from this since it has a roll to hit and a roll to wound. I just want yalls opinion because it doesnt state that the roll can not be modified in any way.

I thought it said a RC member attached benefited, not any IC.

The question here comes down to if an attached IC becomes part of a unit and gains all SR that the unit is given. I've always done it that way but I'm pretty sure it's covered in the IC rules.

Imotekh does not have deepstrike which invalidates some of the deathmarks' utility there. You are correct however, there is no reason why the 'wounds on a 2+' part of it shouldn't work properly vs the marked unit, but then don't strength 8 hits do that anyway 95% of the time?

Seems sadly mostly pointless to me, perhaps you can elaborate on the benefit you feel this combo provides?

Neo - S8 *against leadership* I thought? So a lot of the time 4+ or worse

S8 *against leadership* I thought?

that would be Abyssal Staff; the lightning is regular S8 AP- , wounding against toughness

Would have a viel cryptek and a eternity onw fir the veil of darkness and the re roll.

That was hardly readable.

But you can't reroll a 2D6 afaik.

Survivor19 wrote:

S8 *against leadership* I thought?

that would be Abyssal Staff; the lightning is regular S8 AP- , wounding against toughness

It's AP5, for what it matters.

Also to the OP, the lightning does not come from imotekh so it couldn't benefit from it anyway. The rule says "Any Deathmark unit that shoots at, or strikes blows against, an enemy unit..."

Imotekh does not shoot at anyone with the lightning.

Mentok wrote:
Would have a viel cryptek and a eternity onw fir the veil of darkness and the re roll.

How are you rerolling one D6 from a 2D6 roll? You are specifically told you would have to reroll ALL dice, and you are nto permitted to do that...

It is not a 2d6 roll. I dont see where you are finding a 2 d6 roll. the Lord of the Storm is " roll 1 d6 if that roll is a 6 then that unit is struck by lightning. Then you roll an additional d6 and it is struck that many times. so say i want to use my re roll to give myself a second chance at hitting your land raider or that dread i really dont like. Then if i run two crypteks each of eternity but making sure that they are in different royal courts so that it is allowed yet still both attached to imotehk i can re roll twice. The reason i would want to insure the 2+ would go with it for the roll was actually just me thinking different i had just had a major ear surgery and was out of it. However just curious all the same on what yall thought.

Look at the sentence Nos quoted. No mention of the reroll being used for Imotekh. It can easily be read that you were using the reroll for the Veil.

It only works for Royal court members not IC. Because the Royal Court member becomes a member of that unit when they join it where as an IC doesn't become a member and is free to join and leave as he pleases.

An IC joined to a unit does, explicitly, become a member of that unit.

Mentok wrote:
Now that being said, Imotekhs Lord of the Storm ability would benifit from this since it has a roll to hit and a roll to wound.

It doesn't have a 'to hit' roll.
And does his ability count as a shooting attack made by Imotekh against the unit?

Nope. Or to be more accurate, 'not currently'. Seems like Imotekh is one of the most frequently FAQed necron models in existence, who knows what he will do after the next revision?

Where are you seeing that the IC gets the hunters from hyperspace rule when they join? I thought so myself but could not prove it tonight.

Gravmyr wrote:
The question here comes down to if an attached IC becomes part of a unit and gains all SR that the unit is given. I've always done it that way but I'm pretty sure it's covered in the IC rules.

Picking up on this in particular - by default, ICs don't pick up the special rules of units they're attached to. This only happens if the rule goes on to specifically state that it affects any attached ICs, or if it's worded so that it affects the "unit" (as the IC is then part of that unit).

For example - if I attach a Blood Angels character to a unit of Death Company, which have FNP on a model by model basis, the character doesn't get it. If I attach that character to a unit that's within 6" of a Sanguinary Priest, that applies to the whole unit, so he then DOES get it even if he's not within 6" himself.

For those who want to take a closer look at the rule itself, it can be found on page 39.

The Deathmark special rules do apply to any Independent Character that joins them as they use the term 'Deathmark unit' within the rule itself. As they are both special rules granted to the unit as a whole, it would include any Independent Characters currently assigned to said unit. Just keep in mind the Ethereal Interception rule will require the Independent Character to be able to deep strike, as deep striking is one of those 'model only' special rules and you can not go into deep strike reserve without it.

My gaming group threw a fit over this last night and while I knew I was right I couldn't prove it.

And after doing a little more research, this is clarified on the last page of the 1.4 FAQ for the Necrons:

"Q: Do Models from a Royal Court that are attached to a Deathmark Squad benefit from the Hunters from Hyperspace special rule? (p90) A: Yes"

That is for RC members who are full members of the squad for all purposes (meaning if only the RC model is left, it is still a Deathmarks unit).

KefkaZ wrote:
My gaming group threw a fit over this last night and while I knew I was right I couldn't prove it.

And after doing a little more research, this is clarified on the last page of the 1.4 FAQ for the Necrons:

"Q: Do Models from a Royal Court that are attached to a Deathmark Squad benefit from the Hunters from Hyperspace special rule? (p90) A: Yes"

This. Royal Court members had to be specified, because the reference to "Deathmark unit" means it does NOT apply to any joined ICs. Otherwise it would just say "unit", like every other transferring special rule that does.

I don't know; The inclusion of the word unit makes it less obvious if they are talking about a model based ability or a unit wide ability. Now I can see both sides of the debate and it really is difficult to say which one is correct, because it is all about what the writers meant and we can't simply ask them which is correct. The use of the term 'Deathmark unit' could mean all models that begin within this unit, or it could easily mean any model that joins with this unit.

Do have to point out:
Normally when a special rule is designed for a single model, they simply use the name of the model within the body of the rule and have no mention of the word unit at all.

 Super Ready wrote:

KefkaZ wrote:
My gaming group threw a fit over this last night and while I knew I was right I couldn't prove it.

And after doing a little more research, this is clarified on the last page of the 1.4 FAQ for the Necrons:

"Q: Do Models from a Royal Court that are attached to a Deathmark Squad benefit from the Hunters from Hyperspace special rule? (p90) A: Yes"

This. Royal Court members had to be specified, because the reference to "Deathmark unit" means it does NOT apply to any joined ICs. Otherwise it would just say "unit", like every other transferring special rule that does.

Page 39 says otherwise

An IC ie a normal member of the unit for ALL rule purposes. This is a rules purpose. the IC benefits

Question. Is "Hunters from Hyperspace" a special rule? If so, then it would need to specify it is granted to the IC (as per page 39).

Ok.. IC is part of the unit as long as it is joined..
it says that if an ic is joined to a unit.. for all purposes it is part of that unit.. if it leaves the unit.. it loses the ability..
also Imotekhs attack does roll to hit, and it is from him.. or else the chrono cryptek wouldn't work with him... which it does..

therefore.. while imotekh is joined to the unit of death marks.. he is part of the unit. and would get the benefit... until he leaves the unit

Per the IC rules, an IC is a normal member of the unit it joins for all rules purposes. Furthermore, unless otherwise specified, special rules the unit has does not extend to the IC or vice versa. If HfH is a special rule, it must specify it affects ICs. If it is not a special rule, it would be wargear, in which case it is wargear the IC does not have and as such does not benefit.

It says it affected the unit...
and as per the FAQ,
it affects anything that joins the unit...
if you are still arguing against this then you obviously don't play necrons and are a HATER lol


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What I don't understand tho is why anyone would do this...

The lightning still only hits on a 6

Its S8 so almost always wounds on a 2+ anyways...
so where is the benefit... I don't know

KonTheory wrote:
It says it affected the unit...
and as per the FAQ,
it affects anything that joins the unit...
if you are still arguing against this then you obviously don't play necrons and are a HATER lol

No per the FAQ it affects RC members. Main difference between IC and RC (using a unit of Warriors as an example) - Squad of 10 Warriors with attached IC, Warriors are wiped out, there is no more Warrior unit. Same situation, but replace IC with an RC model - the unit still exists as the RC model is still alive.

I still don't see the benefit... regardless..