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Heya,

I'm quite new to WH40K, and I'm currently busy making my first CSM models. I actually wondered if chaos could corrupt the embodied spirit of an Eldar God.
I think it sounds pretty huge, but let's say chaos could not corrupt the spirit itself, but just the physical appearance. Would it be cool to then represent a daemon prince by a corrupted avatar?
I also don't really know how corruptions goes, but since a gakload of 'characters' become chaos lords when corrupted, it would make sense that an avatar would become daemon prince, if he could be corrupted at all.
I think it'd be fun to try and convert that thing

I guess it could be possible (in fact I think I read a story somewhere about it) but it would involve chaos forces somehow getting aboard a craftworld.

Good luck with the conversion though, be sure to post pics!

Rule of cull the conversion. As for chaos, elder spawned a CHAOS GOD so yeah im sure you can

Actually I believed this has technically already happened before. In the old daemon codex (4th ed.) there was a story called "The Fall of Kher-Ys" where a half-awakened avatar that wasn't fully roused because the lack of a proper ritual which allowed a Keeper of Secrets to possess it's soulless husk. You could use that as a fluff basis for a "chaos avatar".

Here's the link: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Fall_of_Kher-Ys#.UYPij51zaM8

If you still have the book it's pg 26 of the 4th edition Chaos Daemons codex.

Wow, great!
And as I said, I'm kinda new to the hobby, and just about to finish one unit of 6 marines. I don't really have the 4th edition codex.

First thing I'm going to work on after my chaos lord

The thing to remember is that Avatars are themselves only small fragments of what was once Khaine, the bloody handed god. I imagine this would make it easiest for Khorne to corrupt, but then it just doesn't seem his style.
Your standard Avatar would be much too enraged and bloodyminded to fall for Slaanesh's normal tricks, but an unusual circumstance like the aforementioned half raised husk could do it...

The Kher-Ys story makes little to no sense to me. The Avatar of Khaine -is- a Demon. It's a Warp Entity. How another warp entity managed to control it is beyond me, really.

But the idea for the conversion sounds cool as hell, so go for it and be sure to post pics

 Mavlun wrote:
The Kher-Ys story makes little to no sense to me. The Avatar of Khaine -is- a Demon. It's a Warp Entity. How another warp entity managed to control it is beyond me, really.

Probably because the Avatar wasn't awakened so it was more like the shell of the Avatar of Khaine rather than the real thing. It's interesting that it could move at all though.

I think the real problem with that story is that a Craftworld half stuck in the Warp didn't check out the stranger accompanying someone who had just left the Craftworld (presumably into Warpy territory) and then come back in. Didn't really make sense.

 Mavlun wrote:
The Kher-Ys story makes little to no sense to me. The Avatar of Khaine -is- a Demon. It's a Warp Entity. How another warp entity managed to control it is beyond me, really.

But the idea for the conversion sounds cool as hell, so go for it and be sure to post pics

The Avatar is just a big pile of Iron until the ritual awakens the spirit within.

I suppose if a Craftworld were destroyed or conquered it could have a chaos shrine built around the "statue" and eventually be possessed by a daemon.

So basically the physical object itself is possessed. Not the Avatar.

 DeffDred wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:
The Kher-Ys story makes little to no sense to me. The Avatar of Khaine -is- a Demon. It's a Warp Entity. How another warp entity managed to control it is beyond me, really.

But the idea for the conversion sounds cool as hell, so go for it and be sure to post pics

The Avatar is just a big pile of Iron until the ritual awakens the spirit within.

I suppose if a Craftworld were destroyed or conquered it could have a chaos shrine built around the "statue" and eventually be possessed by a daemon.

So basically the physical object itself is possessed. Not the Avatar.

That's not it though. Supposedly, the Avatar was waking up, it wasn't just a "suit of armor". And the Keeper of Secrets didn't sort of "don the armor". It literally possessed the Avatar.

The avatar is really what you get when the suit is possessed by the fragment of khaine, the suit is physical and possess-able the daemon isn't, a daemon can consume another daemon however but in doing so it makes the second daemon and its identity part of its own.
Since an avatar is a much greater warp entity (an actual part of a god rather than just a manifestation of a gods will) should the fragment of khaine ever awaken it'll become the dominating personalty very quickly.
So the GD may be able to wield the power of the avatar for now, but in the long run he's guaranteed himself a fate worse than destruction.

Dunno, Slaanesh nomed the entire Eldar Pantheon, I don't see how one GD couldn't do the same with Khaine' toenail clipping.

yeah at the apex of her power, But if slaanesh was that powerful today she's be the most powerful chaos god not the weakest.
Note theta the other chaos gods are older and thus will have existed together with the eldar gods without being able to destroy them.

And a gd is one amongst what hundreds or thousands of gds in service to slaanesh. I'd dare say there is less than hundred avatars, and all khaine's power is in those. So while yes slaanesh propably still is stronger than khaine, an avatar is a much greater portion of khaine than a gd is of a chaos god.

But is an avatar only the manifestation of khaine? Or is it because khaine is a wargod that it's only him being able to awaken an avatar suited for war?
Aren't there any 'lesser' gods to the Eldar, weak enough for Slaanesh to overwhelm?

Some people on here argue that Khaine and Khorne are the same entity... Not sure if I buy that but interesting take on it.

I made a keeper of secrets out of an Avatar model based on that story. it was fun corrupting a Avatar model

all eldar gods but khiane died in the fall. Khaine was split into the essences that empoer the avatars.

Khaine and khorne are not the same simple because human and eldar minds are different they feel the 'same' emotion definitely and thus the effect in the warp is different however since they are similar there will be a bleed over in spheres of influence and power.

 TheDungen wrote:
all eldar gods but khiane died in the fall. Khaine was split into the essences that empoer the avatars.

Khaine and khorne are not the same simple because human and eldar minds are different they feel the 'same' emotion definitely and thus the effect in the warp is different however since they are similar there will be a bleed over in spheres of influence and power.

Cegorach is still alive and kicking. More so than Khaine.

 Happyjew wrote:

 TheDungen wrote:
all eldar gods but khiane died in the fall. Khaine was split into the essences that empoer the avatars.

Khaine and khorne are not the same simple because human and eldar minds are different they feel the 'same' emotion definitely and thus the effect in the warp is different however since they are similar there will be a bleed over in spheres of influence and power.

Cegorach is still alive and kicking. More so than Khaine.

Depending on the fluff you read to be true, Isha is still alive as well...captive to the Chaos God Nurgle so he can test his filth on Isha who can heal herself of them.

Hinted at in the previous Daemons codex. Confirmed in the current one. Pg 15

oh yeah i forgot about the laughing god.
Isha doesn't really count since she's a prisoner.

Isha's not a prisoner. She's a stay-at-home wife.