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A thought's just occurred to me: Wouldn't the Daemon Primarchs be irritatingly hindered by the fact that their true names are known galaxy-wide? Isn't giving voice to said name supposed to bring a smackdown on said daemonic bonce?

Unless...

I've had a theory for a while now that posits that the Primarchs' souls were actually those of immensely powerful daemons the Big E kind of...kidnapped. That done, the Big E then used His psychic muscle to erase, format and reboot their minds before He gave them bodies. In 'The Reflection Crack'ed', Fulgrim practically admits as such when some of his captains accuse him of being a daemonic imposter. He replies "A daemon? How else would you describe a primarch? Daemon or primarch, both are creatures fashioned from immaterial energies, hybrids of flesh and spirit brought into being by unnatural means. If you knew anything of my creation then you would not bandy such words so carelessly."

It's said that the Chaos gods were wrathful at the Big E because He'd 'stolen' something from them that was vital to the Primarch Project. What do me Dakka dwellers think? Am I onto something, or bloody miles off?

A Daemonic True Name is not the same thing as the mortal name the Daemon Primarchs were once known as. There may be some sort of "ceremony" (not really but what happens is something that mortal minds cannot comprehend) where the Daemon Primarch is invested with a new Daemonic True Name that is a gift/title/boon from their Patron Power, and known only to the Daemon Primarch and the Power they serve, and their old, mortal names are just... old news, really, and don't mean anything at all.

 Psienesis wrote:
A Daemonic True Name is not the same thing as the mortal name the Daemon Primarchs were once known as. There may be some sort of "ceremony" (not really but what happens is something that mortal minds cannot comprehend) where the Daemon Primarch is invested with a new Daemonic True Name that is a gift/title/boon from their Patron Power, and known only to the Daemon Primarch and the Power they serve, and their old, mortal names are just... old news, really, and don't mean anything at all.

Yes, that's what I thought, but a certain Word Bearer-turned daemon prince, M'kar, was weakened when his foe gave voice to his mortal name, Maloq Kartho. I'm confused.

I'd pass that off to artistic license of a BL novel and not worry too much about it, really. If we were to take everything in a BL novel as fact, we would be lead to believe that becoming a servitor is a career option and many people go for it, since it leaves you with the majority of your human functions.

They ain't known galaxy-wide because with uttering them in times of un-need could actually summon them. Just like saying Biggie Smalls three times.

It also doesn't make sense because Gothic is not spoken the same way across the Imperium. Planets have accents, just like countries and regions do on Earth. How you pronounce "Maloq Kartho" on Cadia will be radically different from how you pronounce it in Gunmetal Hive.

Maybe he was just reeling from hearing his previous name butchered by some space-redneck?

Depends on how Gothic is really spoken. I tend to think the languages just went full circle, with High-Gothic as Latin and Low as English, but that's only me.

And my point stands. Saying Fulgrimm, Fulgrimm, Fulgrimm might summon him if you are brushing your teeth.

If summoning daemons were that simple, then the Ruinous Powers would start naming their Greater Daemons commonly-used words.

Khorne: Arise, my Bloodthirster! From this time forward, until the time when Time is naught and the galaxy is consumed by eternal war, you shall be known as "And"! So decrees the Blood God! Raaawwwwrrrr!

Bloodthirster: ???

I always wondered why daemons diddn't just try to forget their true names so only their patron god would know them.

The demon Primarch's names aren't their true demon names. Anymore than their Demon Prince bodies are their original bodies. Demon Princes have literally become demons, creatures of the warp, and so have their corresponding demon names to go with it.

 Psienesis wrote:
If summoning daemons were that simple, then the Ruinous Powers would start naming their Greater Daemons commonly-used words.

Khorne: Arise, my Bloodthirster! From this time forward, until the time when Time is naught and the galaxy is consumed by eternal war, you shall be known as "And"! So decrees the Blood God! Raaawwwwrrrr!

Bloodthirster: ???

You must say the correct name, I mean Bloodthirster won't randomly see you summoning Bloodthirsters, same as Primarch won't randomly summon Primarch.

Would be fun if it did. "Primatch, Primarch, Pramarch." Perturbo get summoned naked and full of soap. "I did something important." Replies the confused Peturbo.

In theory a true name and given name are two very different things. The true name is something unique to the individual where as the given name might not be.

Didnt the Emperor name them I through XX, lol. That was what was on their gestation chambers.

 Beaviz81 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
If summoning daemons were that simple, then the Ruinous Powers would start naming their Greater Daemons commonly-used words.

Khorne: Arise, my Bloodthirster! From this time forward, until the time when Time is naught and the galaxy is consumed by eternal war, you shall be known as "And"! So decrees the Blood God! Raaawwwwrrrr!

Bloodthirster: ???

You must say the correct name, I mean Bloodthirster won't randomly see you summoning Bloodthirsters, same as Primarch won't randomly summon Primarch.

Would be fun if it did. "Primatch, Primarch, Pramarch." Perturbo get summoned naked and full of soap. "I did something important." Replies the confused Peturbo.

I know for a fact, that Fulgrim's changed his true name to Betty (after ascension)....

"Betty, Betty, Betty." Summons Fulgrim who growls with anger as he was getting rubbed down and is covered in slick oils. "Dammit I was at the Slaanesh spa!!!" He roars.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
"Betty, Betty, Betty." Summons Fulgrim who growls with anger as he was getting rubbed down and is covered in slick oils. "Dammit I was at the Slaanesh spa!!!" He roars.

But he can't move, Calgar stomps him in front of Guiliman (who is in stasis watching)...Fulgrim respawns, and changes his name to Sally.....

Are you sure Kaldor Draigo shouldn't show up and for fun tattoo Fulgrim at some body-part where tattooing can't normally be done like at the brain or the liver?

The Primarchs were all named by mortals though weren't they? Maybe only the Emperor knows their 'real' names, what he intended to name his kids. AFAIK, only Konrad Curze was named by the Emperor.