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So I've always loved tank warfare and wanted to make an armored IG list without using and IA options as the FLGS doesn't usually allow IA in any of there monthly tournaments. So here's my thoughts:

Second Attempt:

HQ:
Company Command Squad
-- 4 Meltas
-- Chimera w/ hull-mounted Heavy Flamer

Troops:
Infantry Platoon
-- Platoon Command Squad w/ Chimera, 4 Flamers
-- Infantry Squad w/ Chimera, Autocannon Team
-- Infantry Squad w/ Chimera, Autocannon Team

Infantry Platoon
-- Platoon Command Squad w/ Chimera, 4 Flamers
-- Infantry Squad w/ Chimera, Autocannon Team
-- Infantry Squad w/ Chimera, Autocannon Team

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Squadron
-- Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ hull-mounted Heavy Bolter
-- Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ hull-mounted Heavy Bolter

Leman Russ Squadron
-- Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ hull-mounted Heavy Bolter
-- Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ hull-mounted Heavy Bolter

Ordnance Battery
-- Medusa w/ Enclosed Crew Compartment, Bastion-breacher Shells
-- Medusa w/ Enclosed Crew Compartment, Bastion-breacher Shells

Fortifications:
Aegis Defense Line
-- Quad-gun


So hows this? I dropped all of the Devildogs and Hydras but not how 6 scoring units rather than 2, have 4 autocannons, still have 2 squads of 4 flamers, have 4 melta guns, got an extra Leman Russ (and now have 2 squadrons instead of 1) and got an Aegis Defense Line with a Quad-gun.

Thoughts, opinions, critiques, insults, anything is welcome!

Seems good, but I just don't understand why everyone is psychically attracted to the Bastion-breacher Shells, I'd much rather have a long range Demolisher than a small blast.. You're probably not even going to hit what you aimed at considering the BS of IG vehicles. If you want tank destroyers, take Vendettas if you're doing an armoured company, 3 Vendettas absolutely destroys enemy tanks and fliers, and Hyrdas may as well have a big crosshair painted on them with the words: 'SHOOT ME!' scrawled beneath it. 2 Hyrdas simply won't be enough to combat the flier menace that is currently emerging in 40k, especially considering the recent influx of Cron Air and Heldrake-heavy lists, take 3 Vendettas, they really are great!!

Oh I know how good vendettas are, I have an IG AirCav at the moment that runs multiple vendettas

I was really hoping to keep this list on the ground though, no birds in this list. I was also thinking maybe dropping a devildog for a third Hydra and some upgrades somewhere (not sure what yet)

 Nuul Nalio wrote:
Oh I know how good vendettas are, I have an IG AirCav at the moment that runs multiple vendettas

I was really hoping to keep this list on the ground though, no birds in this list. I was also thinking maybe dropping a devildog for a third Hydra and some upgrades somewhere (not sure what yet)

You're probably better taking an Aegis Defence Line or two in stead of one of the Devildogs, stick a couple of those Autogun things on them, have a couple of tanks sit behind them to benefit from the cover save, anti-flier stuff sorted, you probably wouldn't even need the Hydras

Two medusas and a few devil dogs isn't going to be enough anti-tank. Think about this, for example, what would a game look like between two players with this same list? Once the a few key vehicles were offed, the rest of the tanks would pretty much be down to ramming each other...

Also, despite how cool they may look, LRBTs are, by far, the worst russ type. The exterminator outclasses them against virtually everything. If you want to preserve the cool big-gun look, I'd recommend bumping them all up to vanquishers and loading them all up with sponson weapons. Not only would this fix your anti-tank problems, but they look cooler than regular russes as well:





Then, if you load up on lascannons and multimeltas for the russes, then you'll have much less need for hyrdas. If you drop them, then you'd have points to upgrade those flamer weapons in your infantry up to meltaguns. A melta hedge of vets with meltaguns and sponson multimeltas is good enough to handle fliers through volume of fire.

Seems like a decent list, although I agree with most of the ideas presented above by various people.
The only ideas I would offer would be:
Lose extra armour - you're paying 15 points for something which only has an effect in less than 1/6 of penetrating hits, and it only takes 3 penetrating hits to blow you anyway.
Take out heavy flamers - too many points!!!
Consider swapping those flamers for plasma or melta, as those two are much more effective
Also I agree with BrotherOfBone with regards to the ADL. The lack of interceptor on the hydras renders them ineffective 90% of the time, as any fliers that come in will immediately target the hydras.

Otherwise doesn't seem too bad.

 Ailaros wrote:
Two medusas and a few devil dogs isn't going to be enough anti-tank. Think about this, for example, what would a game look like between two players with this same list? Once the a few key vehicles were offed, the rest of the tanks would pretty much be down to ramming each other...

Also, despite how cool they may look, LRBTs are, by far, the worst russ type. The exterminator outclasses them against virtually everything. If you want to preserve the cool big-gun look, I'd recommend bumping them all up to vanquishers and loading them all up with sponson weapons. Not only would this fix your anti-tank problems, but they look cooler than regular russes as well:





Then, if you load up on lascannons and multimeltas for the russes, then you'll have much less need for hyrdas. If you drop them, then you'd have points to upgrade those flamer weapons in your infantry up to meltaguns. A melta hedge of vets with meltaguns and sponson multimeltas is good enough to handle fliers through volume of fire.

Vanquishers are Awful (with a capital A), you get one shot, with a 50/50 chance of hitting, they suck!! You're better off just taking some SM allies, a basic SM cap'n, a squad of scouts and a Predator if you're really dying for some anti-armour stuff..


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Tactical_Genius wrote:
Seems like a decent list, although I agree with most of the ideas presented above by various people.
The only ideas I would offer would be:
Lose extra armour - you're paying 15 points for something which only has an effect in less than 1/6 of penetrating hits, and it only takes 3 penetrating hits to blow you anyway.
Take out heavy flamers - too many points!!!
Consider swapping those flamers for plasma or melta, as those two are much more effective
Also I agree with BrotherOfBone with regards to the ADL. The lack of interceptor on the hydras renders them ineffective 90% of the time, as any fliers that come in will immediately target the hydras.

Otherwise doesn't seem too bad.

Yeah, I was kinda thinking of an IG vehicle that can combat fliers, and I just thought: Vendetta, NO, it's an armoured company.. AEGIS DEFENSE LINE! And, one tip, no Icarus Lascannon, it's like, 1 shot with a low chance to hit, the ADL with the autocannon thingy is far, far superior..

You're probably better taking an Aegis Defence Line or two in stead of one of the Devildogs, stick a couple of those Autogun things on them, have a couple of tanks sit behind them to benefit from the cover save, anti-flier stuff sorted, you probably wouldn't even need the Hydras

I really like this idea, I think I'm going to work on trying to incorporate an Aegis Defense Line in there.

Two medusas and a few devil dogs isn't going to be enough anti-tank. Think about this, for example, what would a game look like between two players with this same list? Once the a few key vehicles were offed, the rest of the tanks would pretty much be down to ramming each other...

Pitting the same list against itself will almost always result in a few key units getting destroyed and then a similar situation occurring. You really don't think 2 Medusas, 3 Devildogs, and 3 LRBT would be enough anti-tank in 1850 points? It seems like a lot to me, I'm curious as to why you think it wouldn't be enough

Also, despite how cool they may look, LRBTs are, by far, the worst russ type. The exterminator outclasses them against virtually everything. If you want to preserve the cool big-gun look, I'd recommend bumping them all up to vanquishers and loading them all up with sponson weapons. Not only would this fix your anti-tank problems, but they look cooler than regular russes as well:

I will have to respectfully disagree. I think a LRBT is much more versatile than the exterminator as the cannon can hurt everything from tanks to blobs of infantry. Its also AP 3 and can easily kill marines, which an autocannon can not. Vanquishers are okay... if you have a co-axial gun. I will agree, the vanquisher will absolutely wreck a vehicle that it actually hits, but I find it hard to give up a Str 8 AP 3 pie plate for an anti-tank gun that only actually works less than 50% of the time.
Also, by loading up my russes with lascannons and meltas and expecting them to take on fliers, I can't rely on them to do other things. If all my tanks are trying to down 2 fliers by shooting everything they have at them, then what do I have left to shoot at the rest of the enemy army? Focus fire is good, but there's no need for excess.

Lose extra armour - you're paying 15 points for something which only has an effect in less than 1/6 of penetrating hits, and it only takes 3 penetrating hits to blow you anyway.

Forgot about hull points, I'm so dumb some times. Yeah, this will probably go.

Take out heavy flamers - too many points!!!
Consider swapping those flamers for plasma or melta, as those two are much more effective

Yeah, Ailaros brought this up too, I think putting meltas or maybeee plasmas in some of the squads would be a good idea. I might leave one (probably the command squad) as flamers though to incinerate any blobs that try to outflank or just get too close for comfort.
And yeah, the heavy flamers will probably get dropped too.

Ill make some changes and post a new list tomorrow and we'll see how it looks.

Edited the original post to show the new list. Thoughts?

Do the math. A vanquisher with a hull lascannon against vehicles is roughly as good against vehicles as a 3x lascannon HWS. Only 50% more expensive for being WAY more durable.

As for the LRBT, there are only two things that it does properly better than an exterminator - AV14 (which it still does very poorly), and tightly clustered groups of space marines out in the open. Run the numbers for the two tanks, and you'll see that the exterminator is better than or equal to the battlecannon against pretty much everything else.

You really want to see a difference compare the two against fliers or monstrous creatures or light vehicles, or even terminators (against which the exterminator is twice as good against).

The battlecannon looks like it should be cool, but numbers don't lie. They're really not.

I like the new list much better. Just curious what is firing the Quad Gun.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:


Vanquishers are Awful (with a capital A), you get one shot, with a 50/50 chance of hitting, they suck!! You're better off just taking some SM allies, a basic SM cap'n, a squad of scouts and a Predator if you're really dying for some anti-armour stuff..

I'm sorry but this made me spill my tea all over my keyboard after a bout of coughing.

You just called the Vanquisher awful and recommended a Space Marine Captain...

Vanquishers are a gamble, really. I've had one make it's points back twice over in armor kills and it didn't do a shabby job against the infantry. I've also had it utterly fail to do anything in some games as well besides take hull points off. You can fix the odds by taking more Vanquishers but then it starts eating into your points. You are better off taking an exterminator and letting a vendetta taking care of your anti armor needs (It has twin linked on all of it's big weapons and is harder to hit to boot)

I wont lie, I'm still not entirely sold on the Vanquishers, but I'm still kind of rolling the idea around in my mind. Now, I am thinking that using Exterminators might not be a bad option.
What if I made one squadron Battle Tanks and the other one a pair of Exterminators? Variety is not a bad thing right?

Just curious what is firing the Quad Gun.

Umm... That my friend is a good question as I really didn't want to have people leaving vehicles unless necessary, but BS 2 sucks...

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:


Vanquishers are Awful (with a capital A), you get one shot, with a 50/50 chance of hitting, they suck!! You're better off just taking some SM allies, a basic SM cap'n, a squad of scouts and a Predator if you're really dying for some anti-armour stuff..

I'm sorry but this made me spill my tea all over my keyboard after a bout of coughing.

You just called the Vanquisher awful and recommended a Space Marine Captain...

I totally didn't catch this before lol. I will honestly say that while I have shot down fliers with a lucky plasma pistol shot before, I will not be taking any SM captains for anti-armour purposes

The entire game is a gamble, what with having to roll dice and all. Vanquishers are worth taking if you can stop focusing on only the "heavy 1" part of their statline.