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I am getting some conflicting information on this and wanted to reach out and see what people say on this.

From reviewing the rules this is my interpretation of Transports and Troops that can be housed within them.

1) If a troop can have a dedicated transport, the transport model is included with that Troops spot on the force organization chart.
2) A transport not taken as a dedicated transport counts as a troop option.
3) Dedicated transports can only be deployed empty or with the troop it's dedicated to.
4) Non-Dedicated transports can deploy empty or with any unit up to it's capacity
5) Dedicated transports can carry any unit up to it's capacity after deployment.


I cannot recall where I read each of these specifically; however, I have heard some people say that you can only take transports as dedicated transports and only units that allow for dedicated transports can be inside of them. I've seen a number of battle reports that say any unit can be in any transport (for example being able to put 5 Ork Stormboyz into a trukk).

1 and 3 above are in the rulebook and I believe I read 2 in there as well. 4 & 5 I cannot find where I read that again.

Can anyone clarify these for me if I am incorrect?

#2 is incorrect. If the vehicle is not a 'dedicated transport' then it is taken in the slot of the entry under which it is listed (Heavy Support, Fast Attack, etc...)

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All the rules for Transports are on page 78. At least the ones you are asking about. Page 78 gives blanket permission for units to use Transports, however, certain things can revoke said permission.

Beast wrote:
#2 is incorrect. If the vehicle is not a 'dedicated transport' then it is taken in the slot of the entry under which it is listed (Heavy Support, Fast Attack, etc...)

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So how would one classify a Rhino (or a Necron Ghost Ark) if it's only listed under the "dedicated transport" section of a codex? It taken separately would they be classified as heavy support?


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 Happyjew wrote:
All the rules for Transports are on page 78. At least the ones you are asking about. Page 78 gives blanket permission for units to use Transports, however, certain things can revoke said permission.

I think where I'm getting hung up at is the exclusions. For example, in the Necron codex, only Warriors can take a Ghost Ark as a dedicated transport. Immortals and Deathmarks can take a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport. My interpretations of the rules on page 78 is that the Immortals and Deathmarks, being infantry, would be able to embark on a Ghost Ark once the Ghost Ark is emptied or if it was taken not as a dedicated transport.

Unholyllama wrote:

Beast wrote:
#2 is incorrect. If the vehicle is not a 'dedicated transport' then it is taken in the slot of the entry under which it is listed (Heavy Support, Fast Attack, etc...)

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So how would one classify a Rhino (or a Necron Ghost Ark) if it's only listed under the "dedicated transport" section of a codex? It taken separately would they be classified as heavy support?

Rhinos are only dedicated transports and cannot be purchased separately. They have to come with a squad. this is true of any other vehicle wich only has a "dedicated transport" listing, rather than a normal FOC listing. The key piece of information is if the unit has a separate purchasable entry in the army list. Rhinos, for example, do not have this entry and can only be purchased as part of a squad entry.

So how would one classify a Rhino (or a Necron Ghost Ark) if it's only listed under the "dedicated transport" section of a codex? It taken separately would they be classified as heavy support?

You can't take them other than as dedicated transports if they are not listed as anything other than a dedicated transport. I don't understand why you would think you could?

You classify a rhino as a dedicated transport as that is its catagory. No heavy, fast, elite. Only DT. Same with ork trukks I believe. You can only take as many as troops who can take as DT can. Like for sisters of battle. 2 troop choices, 2 fast attack dominions = 4 rhinos.

 FlingitNow wrote:

So how would one classify a Rhino (or a Necron Ghost Ark) if it's only listed under the "dedicated transport" section of a codex? It taken separately would they be classified as heavy support?

You can't take them other than as dedicated transports if they are not listed as anything other than a dedicated transport. I don't understand why you would think you could?

Ultimately I was misinformed by bad battle reports and misinterpreting the rules of a dedicated transport.


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 Flinty wrote:

Unholyllama wrote:

Beast wrote:
#2 is incorrect. If the vehicle is not a 'dedicated transport' then it is taken in the slot of the entry under which it is listed (Heavy Support, Fast Attack, etc...)

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So how would one classify a Rhino (or a Necron Ghost Ark) if it's only listed under the "dedicated transport" section of a codex? It taken separately would they be classified as heavy support?

Rhinos are only dedicated transports and cannot be purchased separately. They have to come with a squad. this is true of any other vehicle wich only has a "dedicated transport" listing, rather than a normal FOC listing. The key piece of information is if the unit has a separate purchasable entry in the army list. Rhinos, for example, do not have this entry and can only be purchased as part of a squad entry.

Thanks for clarifying this!

As to the other point though, am I correct in interpreting the rules that any infantry model can enter a vacant transport unless specifically excluded? Just because a troop cannot have such as a dedicated transport does not mean they can still embark upon such correct?

They can still get into an empty transport during the battle assuming there is space for all of them (barring other restrictions like no allied models in their unit, no Termies in Rhinos, etc).

 conker249 wrote:
You classify a rhino as a dedicated transport as that is its catagory. No heavy, fast, elite. Only DT. Same with ork trukks I believe. You can only take as many as troops who can take as DT can. Like for sisters of battle. 2 troop choices, 2 fast attack dominions = 4 rhinos.

The underscored is not true.

You classify a DT as belonging to the same slot that the unit that bought it occupies.

A Rhino for a troops choice is a troop, a Rhino bought for a Heavy support unit is a Heavy support choice. This only really matters for heavy and fast attack DT's in the missions where heavy support or fast attack vehicles are treated as scoring units and give Kill Points.

DT's do not get accounted for on the FOC. they are war gear for the purchased unit.

stichfitz wrote:
DT's do not get accounted for on the FOC. they are war gear for the purchased unit.

Dedicated Transports are not wargear; they are their own units. If they were wargear they would be removed with the squad should the squad die.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

stichfitz wrote:
DT's do not get accounted for on the FOC. they are war gear for the purchased unit.

Dedicated Transports are not wargear; they are their own units. If they were wargear they would be removed with the squad should the squad die.

DTs are not wargear, they are their own unit that does not take up an additional FOC slot but are otherwise only available when purchased for a unit that has them in its entry as a transport option. Other vehicles (non-DTs) that have a transport capability must be purchased on their own and DO take up a FOC slot.

Just as a final followup -

If a transport is only listed as a DT and is not classified under any other FOC area, does it HAVE to be purchased by a unit that states it can take such as a DT? Or, am I able to still purchase it for any unit?

For example:
Necron Night Scythe is only listed as a DT.
Immortals, Lychguard, and Deathmarks explicitly state that they can take the Night Scythe as a DT.
Night Scythe rules allows for Jump Infantry to be embarked (i.e. Wraiths, Triarch Pratorians, Destroyers).

Can I still add a Night Scythe even if I do not field Immortals, Lycheguard, or Deathmarks?

No. You must purchase the Night Scythe for a unit that has the option available to them.

Now you can load up a unit into a Night Scythe, that didn't purchase it after the game starts, as long as you follow the restrictions of the Transport.

The DT can only be purchased for a unit that has it in its entry as a transport option. So if a vehicle is listed in the codex as a 'Dedicated Transport', then only units that list that DT as an option can take it. You can't purchase a DT by itself without the parent unit. Think of the unit as unlocking the DT option. Once it is purchased though the unit that bought the DT does not have to start the game in it, nor does it ever have to embark upon it.... Other units (from the same codex) can embark upon it after the game starts assuming they can fit.

Actually there is a way to take non-dedicated dedicated transports. In Spearhead, certain dedicated transports can be used within the Spearhead formation itself, however there are rules in place for how this works.

Are you talking about an Apocalypse formation?

Nope. Spearhead is a mission type introduced in White Dwarf. The pdf for which is still available on GW's website, here.

It is one of the few ways to get a Superheavy into a normal game.