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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 00:38:59
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I had an idea for the fluff for my Necron army. This is barely considered and I have not fleshed it out yet. I was hoping the community could help flesh it out and give me some ideas.
I was thinking that my Necron Lord, Who would be a destroyer lord, Would not have forsaken the C'tan as the rest of his kind did, But instead worshipped one, and seeks to revive him. This particular C'Tan, Tentatively titled The Destroyer, would have the same end goals/ideals as the Destroyers themselves. The Destroyer Lord would be seeking out the shards of this C'Tan, trying to restore "The Destroyer" to his Former Glory. This would even bring him into contact with his own kind. Most necrons would be against this, so I will be using mainly Warriors and Canoptek stuff, avoiding the 'Crons that think too much. Does this idea make sense? And does anyone have any ideas for improvements and Alterations?
Now I also want to make a suitably imposing model to represent this particular C'tan. Does anybody have any ideas? I wanted something similar aesthetically to the other C'tan, at least in the way that they have are tall, lithe floating creatures with thin strands of robe dangling off of them. Perhaps He has bits of Necron technology grafted onto his epidermis, giving him a sort of Cyborg C'tan look. Anyways, what does the community think?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 03:08:05
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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A C'tan that wants to destroy all life? Sounds familiar...
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 03:56:03
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Okay, Fair enough. Like I said it wasn't really thoguht through. I still think the idea is solid, even if the C'tan needs work.
I also Was thinking of making it a female C'tan, I think that could be interesting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 04:03:43
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Sorry, I couldn't resist...
On the other hand, I do like your idea (especially as it sort of ties into how I think the fluff should have been). I'd like to see what comes from this.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 06:45:51
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Hallowed Canoness
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We have no idea what female Necrons looked like in life, but they all look the same in death - and C'tan are genderless by virtue of being energy beings, so the idea of a female C'tan is... odd.
That said, if your C'tan picked a gender, loves destruction, and chose female I'd advise you to go with a Chinese-y theme for your army, playing off the yin/yang system (Yin-dark-soft-feminine-cold-death / Yang-bright-hard-masculine-hot-life. No, soft does not mean weak).
The problem with your idea, however, is that two of the three Canoptek units are fast attack, and so are Destroyers - meaning that most of your army will be Spyders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:30:20
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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As already stated, we already got The Nightbringer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:39:13
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor
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You could have The Destroyer be a shard of the Night Bringer, given that the power of the C'tan was shattered down into the shards its entirely possible aspects of their personality and abilities were shattered too. This way you could create a number of diverse shards that reflect embodiments of the Nightbringers personality (The Reaper (destroy life), The Destroyer (destroy cities/tech/stuff), The Tyrant (incites wars/destruction)) as different modelling projects and varieties of Shard in game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 13:02:47
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Female destroyer god as a fragment of a greater deity? Sounds like Kali, aspect of Shiva to me. Give her a bunch of arms holding swords and skulls and you're set.
All that angry Eastern mythology fits warhammer like a glove
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 23:58:16
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Furyou Miko wrote:We have no idea what female Necrons looked like in life, but they all look the same in death - and C'tan are genderless by virtue of being energy beings, so the idea of a female C'tan is... odd.
Well obviously the C'tan are asexual, but you can't tell me the Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Dragon aren't aesthetically Male, as well as being referred to as males.
And I'm trying to stay away it being a direct representation of a real life mytholigical entity, as people have mentioned eastern Influences.
I would like to back up here. Clearly the Destroyer wasn't a great idea. I would like to come up with a different angle for my C'tan, something a little more unique. I'm drawing a blank here, perhaps some sort of C'tan who shapes the world around it into it's own twisted vision. Maybe we could all it the Shaper or the Molder. That's just one idea. If anyone has other ideas please post them. If you just have an idea for a cool name please post it, Fluff can flow from a cool name or title. Thanks guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 00:20:20
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Resist The Dawn wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:We have no idea what female Necrons looked like in life, but they all look the same in death - and C'tan are genderless by virtue of being energy beings, so the idea of a female C'tan is... odd.
Well obviously the C'tan are asexual, but you can't tell me the Nightbringer, Deceiver, and Dragon aren't aesthetically Male, as well as being referred to as males.
And I'm trying to stay away it being a direct representation of a real life mytholigical entity, as people have mentioned eastern Influences.
I would like to back up here. Clearly the Destroyer wasn't a great idea. I would like to come up with a different angle for my C'tan, something a little more unique. I'm drawing a blank here, perhaps some sort of C'tan who shapes the world around it into it's own twisted vision. Maybe we could all it the Shaper or the Molder. That's just one idea. If anyone has other ideas please post them. If you just have an idea for a cool name please post it, Fluff can flow from a cool name or title. Thanks guys.
There is already a C'tan, called the Shaper.
Perhaps this will help out some
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/C%27tan#.UZV3xLWG0zc
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 00:37:37
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Huh, well where is that mentioned? The wiki literally has no information beyond the name, the page is just blank. I'm not so trusting of a source that is just a wiki article.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 01:00:12
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Resist The Dawn wrote:Huh, well where is that mentioned? The wiki literally has no information beyond the name, the page is just blank. I'm not so trusting of a source that is just a wiki article.
He, like many of the other names unfamiliar on that chart, were mentioned in a WD article, that detailed the fall of the C'an, and the recommended powers you give the shards, based on the C'tan it was shattered from.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:31:59
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Okay, well is there anything else on him? If not then I can still use the name and continue with my lore for him haha.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:50:15
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Resist The Dawn wrote:Okay, well is there anything else on him? If not then I can still use the name and continue with my lore for him haha.
No there's not. Just a name and in the WD the respective pair of powers that would befit a shard of the Shaper. Frankly, it's the absence of fluff like this that I love to see result in people creating their own. Go wild (just not Mat Ward wild), have fun with it, and good luck.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:52:32
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Dakka Veteran
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The mourngull from forge world would make an amazing Ctan!
I am waiting for them to release Sanguinious so I can model him dead on the ground in place of the horse
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/morngul-p9.jpg
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:53:23
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Stormin' Stompa
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It would be difficult to find enough parts for, but I've always wanted to do a c'tan that looked like a giant pile of scarabs in a humanoid shape.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:55:04
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Always thought that would befit as a base for a conversion of the Outsider.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:57:04
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks for the responses all. I was thinking of using this model
http://dark-age.com/shop/dragyri-1/dragyri-greater-storm-elemental-1.html Thought I would certainly Convert it somewhat heavily to represent The Shaper. I will flesh the lore out more and perhaps write a short story. Thanks a lot all. If anybody has any other ideas please post away. Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh also, since I imagine THe Shaper would be mutating and "shaping" the environment around him, does anybody have any ideas as to what that would look like? I don't want it to look like chaos mutations or anything. ANy ideas there would be greatly appreciated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 10:02:02
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Resist The Dawn wrote:
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Oh also, since I imagine THe Shaper would be mutating and "shaping" the environment around him, does anybody have any ideas as to what that would look like? I don't want it to look like chaos mutations or anything. ANy ideas there would be greatly appreciated.
Probably something like Magneto's powers. The guy shaped metal like he wanted, so in the cartoons we see lots of hunks of metal that look like waves around. You could try to create rocks and ground with a wave aspect as if they were being, well, shaped, or being used to attack something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 15:54:44
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I tried to google an image of what you're talking about, but I was unsuccessful. That sounds interesting, if you could find a picture that would be awesome. THanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 16:17:52
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I actually remember something I saw (and I love, I think it's one of the best "kid" oriented shows I have ever seen) that has plenty of examples: Avatar, the Last Airbender.! Here's a couple of quick pics because it's tough to find good Earthbending pictures:
Earth benders attack using (d'oh) earth and rocks, so there's plenty of examples where they rip out chucks of rock to hurl at the opponents, create columns of rock, waves of earth and rock to "crush" among others, like creating an armor of rock around you.
It doesn't have to be something as "mutating" the environment, but since he is the Shaper, I can imagine him using the ground to kill stuff. I hope this at least gives you a starting point
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 16:31:07
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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You don't have to avoid the thinker Necrons as others hear and some agree with him they will seek him out to join his cause even if they are a minority.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 16:46:19
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Awesome, I really like that imagery from avatar, I think I will go with something like that. Thanks much guys. I'ma through some crypteks in there with tremorstaves for extra dangerous terrain shenanigans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 18:52:33
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I am usually pedantic on fluff, but I have no objection to your fluff idea.
You can even include necrons with personality, as long as they are loyal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 19:12:17
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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That's a pretty cool idea. I also have a non-triarch background for my army, though I'm not sure if its that fluffy. Basically, a C'tan shard manages to infect a Tomb World's AI, and starts an aggressive campaign to take the shards from other Necron factions to make it even stronger. Its a what-if scenario of what would happen if a Shard managed to escape capture, really. I plan to make a series of freakish C'tan / necron tech conversions, like a Stalker that has a bubbling pool of shifting metal instead of a pilot. May not happen though. When I think destroyer, I think of a hulking beast of destruction; perhaps a heavily modified Defiler would do?
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A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 19:16:37
Subject: Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 22:19:58
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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I'd look for a female in quasi-Egyptian looking armor, and convert from there. (Alternatively, start with a male figure in Egyptian garb and convert him to be all girly.)
Personally, I would go with a wide-shouldered, 'chesting-up' pose, for maximum intimidation value. Arms at the side, possibly holding weapons. (Maybe one clawed hand made from wire, greenstuff, and plasticard? Plus a khopesh in the other?)
I like the idea of a female looking C'Tan, and with the 'no holds barred' approach to the fluff now, there's no reason you can't make up any damn kind of star god you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/18 04:45:44
Subject: Re:Necron army fluff idea and C'tan Conversions.
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If your going for a wraith heavy army, you might want to consider a Tomb Kings Selpulchral Stalker as the basis fo a C'tan conversion (I like the one on the bottom right myself).
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