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So i started a thread discussing infiltrating shadowsun with kroot.

this got me thinking also about the hound and maybe making an assault kroot unit.

10x kroot 10x hounds -- the big benefit being hounds are int 6, 2 atks and they are beasts so they can move 12" which means if you infiltrate/outflank you can daisy chain the hounds so they can get 12" in the movement with the kroot blob 6" back

On a charge 30 str 4 attacks init 6 from the hounds alone.

oh and the unit costs 110 pts.

I thought of this the other day and I was wondering if it worked. Has anyone tried it?

I'm going to try it this weekend

Shadowsun ((infiltrates with krootox units))

2x units -- 10x Kroot 10x hounds

1x unit -- 10xkroot 3x krootox 1x hound

Kroot and Kroot hound are Str 3 nowadays.

Assault Kroot seldom worked even in the old book, where Kroot were signifantly stronger in close combat, so I have hard time seeing them work now.

The way to make this work is to move off the table edge 6" and line the Kroot up for a good shot. Then, next turn slingshot the kroot hounds in front of the kroot and assault. This protects your hounds from any shooting and preserves your 30 attacks on the charge. Even with low str and no power weapons you're bound to cause some wounds.

Yeah I see your point. It might have some use as a way of tying up your opponent's shooty units in melee so the rest of your army can focus on shooting everyone else.

 NinjaStars wrote:
Yeah I see your point. It might have some use as a way of tying up your opponent's shooty units in melee so the rest of your army can focus on shooting everyone else.

this is 100% the plan.


VS assaulty armies they would become bubble wrap.

VS enemy shooty armies such as ig or other tau they infilitrate or outflank and assault their shooty blobs turn 2.

I think you may end up disappointed. You could just get another 5 kroot instead of 7 hounds and they atleast contribute firepower when you're facing anything except GEQ. In the offchance you're playing against T3, I3, 5+ units then the hounds will be able to deal 6.67 unsaved wounds. while 10 kroot on the charge will be dealing 6.67 wounds as well thanks to an Ap5 melee weapon. The downside is that Kroot will probably be hitting the unit at the same time and taking a considerable amount of wounds as well.

It's just that the overall goal for this unit is a pretty specific circumstance. I think that overall you're probably better off just bringing more guns. If you find yourself facing off against GEQ units without fearless/stubborn then it's probably a decent enough unit. They're probably better as a speed bump, since combat will most likely break in one round due to large numbers of wounds on both sides, meaning that overwatching and support fire are in your favor while leaving the enemy open on your following turn.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I think you may end up disappointed. You could just get another 5 kroot instead of 7 hounds and they atleast contribute firepower when you're facing anything except GEQ. In the offchance you're playing against T3, I3, 5+ units then the hounds will be able to deal 6.67 unsaved wounds. while 10 kroot on the charge will be dealing 6.67 wounds as well thanks to an Ap5 melee weapon. The downside is that Kroot will probably be hitting the unit at the same time and taking a considerable amount of wounds as well.

It's just that the overall goal for this unit is a pretty specific circumstance. I think that overall you're probably better off just bringing more guns. If you find yourself facing off against GEQ units without fearless/stubborn then it's probably a decent enough unit. They're probably better as a speed bump, since combat will most likely break in one round due to large numbers of wounds on both sides, meaning that overwatching and support fire are in your favor while leaving the enemy open on your following turn.

I agree and i forgot about ap5, which i will have to take into consideration.

I still think the 12" move could be a significant benefit.

I guess on the upside is that if you're assaulting Ig with both Kroot and hounds then you'd be doing about 13-14 wounds total to the unit, which would a decent amount of damage to a large unit. Assumming a 30 man blob with 1A each, the unit should only deal 3-4 wounds at the Kroot before the Kroot drop them another 6.67 wounds.

It may not actually be a bad idea, since you'd be able to wade through a tar-pit unit and probably come out in the lead with a rather cheap unit that could still be useful for other purposes against other units.

More markerlighted sniper weapons? As compared to using kroot with hounds. With the 60pt premium to pay before one hound, just massing up on kroot snipers seems like the best choice.

That way, you have way more decent shots and you can still charge. Or be charged, or use the relatively cheap models to screen things off or tie things up.

Theorius wrote:


VS enemy shooty armies such as ig or other tau they infilitrate or outflank and assault their shooty blobs turn 2.

VS Marines, there's a much higher chance of getting pummeled. If you assault them against Grey Hunters or Grey Knights, they will not survive the turn they charge.

 Wilytank wrote:

Theorius wrote:


VS enemy shooty armies such as ig or other tau they infilitrate or outflank and assault their shooty blobs turn 2.

VS Marines, there's a much higher chance of getting pummeled. If you assault them against Grey Hunters or Grey Knights, they will not survive the turn they charge.

id shoot grey hunters or grey knights

dark angel tactical squad? i may charge!

hounds go first

30 atks 15 hit, 4 wound, 1.7 killed

3-4 marines attack back (lets say 4) 4 atks, 2 hits, 1 wound, 1 kill

kroot win! yeaaahhh!!!!

disclaimer - this does not account for overwatch obviously, or previous rounds of shooting

That's also assuming you're charging a unit you outnumber 4-1.

Throwing in a sarge they get 5 attacks back, 2.5 hits, which is 1.67dead. The Kroot would end up hitting back for another 1.67 and end up winning combat by one or two and the marine unit will be about 50 points cheaper.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
That's also assuming you're charging a unit you outnumber 4-1.

Throwing in a sarge they get 5 attacks back, 2.5 hits, which is 1.67dead. The Kroot would end up hitting back for another 1.67 and end up winning combat by one or two and the marine unit will be about 50 points cheaper.

50 points cheaper than 110 pts? space marines got cheap on me!!!

Theorius wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
That's also assuming you're charging a unit you outnumber 4-1.

Throwing in a sarge they get 5 attacks back, 2.5 hits, which is 1.67dead. The Kroot would end up hitting back for another 1.67 and end up winning combat by one or two and the marine unit will be about 50 points cheaper.

50 points cheaper than 110 pts? space marines got cheap on me!!!

20 kroot with sniper rifles and 1 hound is 145pts

5 marines are 70pts plus toys.

The 5 marines are significantly cheaper.