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As of now i have the following to work with, though i do plan on buying more DW Knights and DW Terminators.

1x Belial

1x Deathwing Terminator Squad w/ 1x Assault Cannon, 1x Cyclone Missile Launcher, 1x Duel Lightning Claws, 1x Chainfist, 1x Thunder Hammer w/ Storm Shield
1x Deathwing Knights Squad w/ Relic of the Unforgiven
1x Dark Angels Tactical Squad w/ vet. sergeant w/ plasma pistol/ chainsword, 1x plasma gun, 1x plasma cannon
1x Devastator Squad w/ vet. sergeant w/ plasma pistol/ powerfist , 2x heavy bolter, 2x plasma cannon
1x Dark Angels Veteran Squad (yet to be assembled)
1x Ravenwing Black Knights Squad w/ huntsmaster w/ corvus hammer, 1x ravenwing Grenade launcher
1x Ravenwing Nephilim Jetfighter (yet to be assembled, could build it as a Darktalon as well)

Your TH/SS Terminators should be dealing with Defilers fairly well. As for Dark Eldar, they bring enough firepower to the table in the form of splinter cannons and lances to blow you off the table. Pure Deathwing unfortunately sucks ass for competitive play against tourney-style DE.

should build the Ravenwing Nephilim Jetfighter or should i build the Darktalon?
also, what about my Dev. and Tac. Squads?


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Iin addition, would stasis grenades and bombs be effective against DE Kaby and wych units?

The toughest part for DE to deal with when facing Deathwing is Cyclone Missile Launchers. Once you pop down go striaght for any of the vehicles. Even if they have night sheilds you should still be in range if they want to shoot you. Go for the Venoms First.

As for defilers Thunder Hammers should ruin there day.

Lol, Defiler spamming CSM. If you have trouble against that, with Deathwing you're doing it wrong. Their battle cannon are AP 3.

As a DE player facing that, the biggest thing I would be afraid of is the Flyer. We have one AT flyer, but that's about it. We could kinda turn our second flyer into AT, but most players won't. Raider rushing isn't popular in 6th Edition, and is nowhere near as effective as Venom Spamming. I would say the best thing to do is to NOT deepstrike the terminators, because as soon as you do, they'll die in the next round of shooting from Dark Lance and Blaster fire. (S8 AP2) I would say move them up around the side close to cover, or hide them behind another unit. Don't let us shoot you is the biggest thing. Send the TH/SS Termies at our wyches, because wyches can't really stand up to them, but be careful, because wyches can be nasty sometimes, but are typically used as tarpits to tie up your units, like termies. The next best place for them would be the Raiders or Kabalites. Try to get Kabalites into assault asap because they belong NOWHERE near close combat, and pretty much anything will eat them for breakfast. Be careful of Trueborn in venoms with blasters, they move quick and hurt your Termies, and troops. Take out our vehicles as fast as you can. DE vehicles are bullcrap in 6th edition XD we get Jink saves, and we can assault out of them, and all are open topped. They are harder to take down than one may think, but once they go down we have big problems. We rely on our vehicles because we are NOT meant to be foot-sloggin it across the battlefield.

That's my $0.02, hope it helps you

Devastator sergeant with Pfist seems to be a bit out of place, and I have heard mix reviews of DW Knights, but I have no 1st hand experience with em.

As for CSM, Defilers run around 200 a peice. They are one of the least efficient units in the codex. If he is spamming defilers or Forgefiends, then you already have a large point advantage.

If he spams maulerfiends, your TH/SS is your best friend.

You need (much) more AA to deal with Helturkeys, but at AP3 they aren't much of a threat to a termi build.

A more worrisome build for your set up is Spawn, termicide, and helbrute spam. Against max of 3 Defilers, you should wreck without issue, and against the fiends/helturkeys your flier is toast but otherwise you should be okay.

Termi build is a hard one for Chaos to counter. Exception is 3 Forgefiends with 3 Ectoplasm apiece or 9 Oblits. Then you might get a little eaten. Hard to counter though with out a specific build.

Honestly assault cannons are your best friend. RWKs can wreck his vehicles too. Storm bolter to death the infantry. Don't even bother with CC. I love DWKs but probably best to leave them at home against DE.

Deathwing lists are nice to look at but personally I'm not a fan, I don't feel like they can be competitive at all.

As for the other question you asked @onlywar I would say build the nephilim, the dark talon sucks most of the time.

A nephilim with the mega bolter lays out 11 shots/turn at BS5 vs ground units. (after 3 turns you're out of missiles so you're down to 9 shots/turn). S5 - S6 AP4...

It's really good, only weak when compared to flyers in 5th (in terms of points costs) but when used properly it's lethal.

The Dark Talon doesn't have that firepower or threat, it's stasis anomoly thing is just fluff imo

theyre pretty great, I always like to take at least one. Primarily for barrage sniping banners and characters. It will make back its points every game.