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Hi guys.

I am just wondering does the benefit of the icon is lost when the icon bearer in the squad is killed.

For example a 10 man marine squad with an Icon Of Excess. If the Icon Bearer is killed. The other models left will not have FNP roll after that?

If yes. Does this apply with DA standard bearer?

Can you guys point me the to the right direction in BRB and Codex please.

That is correct, so always make the icon's save last if at all possible.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
That is correct, so always make the icon's save last if at all possible.

Where is this stated in the BRB and Chaos codex. Can you please point me there.
Thank you.

An Icon or Banner is an upgrade assigned to one particular model in a unit. If you lose that model, you lose the effect of the Icon or Banner.

Dra'al Nacht wrote:
An Icon or Banner is an upgrade assigned to one particular model in a unit. If you lose that model, you lose the effect of the Icon or Banner.

Right. It make sense now.

Chaos Space Marine Codex
Chaos Space Marine Entry.
'A model may purchase one of the icon...'

Thanks!

Yeah think of it this way if the guy in the squad carrying a plasma gun dies do you still get to shoot a plasma gun...

Sadly the rule that allows other models to pick up the standard in Fantasy doesn't exists on 40k, which means that any precision shots will be directed to the icon probably.

Since all shooting, from any given unit, is done simultaneously it does not matter what order you roll saves in, as FNP can be used throughout the shooting attack for that particular unit.

In CC, all attacks at a given initiative are simultaneous, and the same applies.

The Next unit that makes a shooting attack, or further initiative numbers, that make CC attacks do so after the Icon is killed and FNP can no longer be taken.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Since all shooting, from any given unit, is done simultaneously it does not matter what order you roll saves in, as FNP can be used throughout the shooting attack for that particular unit.

In CC, all attacks at a given initiative are simultaneous, and the same applies.

The Next unit that makes a shooting attack, or further initiative numbers, that make CC attacks do so after the Icon is killed and FNP can no longer be taken.

I would apply this thinking.

Same if a character or model had stealth that was increasing the units cover save. It would work for the entire shooting attack, but if he died the next shooting attack would not benefit from it.