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I know Long Fangs are awesome. They kill tons of stuff and have pulled my butt out of the fire a couple times. The problem is in reality I just can't keep them alive! I usually put them behind an Aegis Line if there isn't any better cover but even with that they just don't stick around long! Even when I've drop podded a large number of grey hunter right in there face the Long Fangs still draw to much fire and I can never seem to get there points back! Do you guys have any suggestions to how you deploy and ensure the survival of your Long Fangs or are there other things you prefer over them?

I wouldn't use them for anything other than a heavy bolter platform. You won't get heavy bolters at much cheaper than 20 ppm, and Long Fangs let you buy them at BS4.

Krak missiles had their time in 5th, but that time has passed. They work well on transports, but nobody relies on transport spam as they once did. And of course, they're not going to do anything credible to Flyers without flakk ammunition.

Best of luck in finding a niche for them.

For the SW games I've witnessed, not only do the Long Fangs have trouble living, in many cases their MLs aren't getting the job done, either. (Assuming that's your payload, because for 80% of SW armies I've seen thats' the case) I think the ML is absolute trash myself, but that's another debate.

SW drop pod so well and can pack in so many special weapons, it might be interesting to try something like all whirlwinds for "ignore cover save" love. Save the heavy points for allied Vendettas.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Wolves have access to Hyperios Platforms. You'd probably get more mileage out of those than Long Fangs.

Mine still get good mileage in my meta, but a lot of people don't play the soulless WAAC setup around here (a good thing). Recently, they really helped devastate kroot infiltrators with 5 Frag Missiles scoring 25 hits one round.

Even something semi-bad like BA AV 13 spam is a big problem for MLs, however. A couple of flamestorm hits and suddenly the SW look a lot more beatable for a BA list. Of course, I don't use the flamestorm cannon in TAC lists, but in a more casual environment, why not?

Corollax wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Wolves have access to Hyperios Platforms. You'd probably get more mileage out of those than Long Fangs.

never read anything called hyperios ever especially not in SW codex. I'm a fan of longfangs still but I prefer all plasma cannons or the best recent idea ive heard are drop podding multi melta fangs

Exalbaru wrote:

Corollax wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Wolves have access to Hyperios Platforms. You'd probably get more mileage out of those than Long Fangs.

never read anything called hyperios ever especially not in SW codex. I'm a fan of longfangs still but I prefer all plasma cannons or the best recent idea ive heard are drop podding multi melta fangs

FW unit, IA Aeronautica. SW do have access to it,and if your meta allows, it's essentially a must run if you want to go pure SW

Actually, I'm thinking Long Fangs w/ all ML should be on the resurgence. With all the Tyranid Monstrous Creatures now running about, as well as the new Wraithknight and old Wraithlord (probably T8 3+), ML's are a reliable and cheap way to get wounds on them. Yes, you'll fail against a Riptide or a Dreadknight, but you have Melta and plasma and everything else for that. Missile Launchers are still amazing against light armor, still capable of putting instant death wounds on important characters, and still able to deal with hordes, all for a low price.

Yeah, they'll die instantly to a heldrake, but that's kind of the point of the heldrake. The heldrake is basically supposed to hard counter marines hiding in cover, and boy do Long Fangs like to be marines hiding in cover. That's why you need to take more than one group of them, as well as ally in somebody with good AA, like Guard or Tau. Either that, or hope that you don't get the double dragon or triple dragon matchup. Having a Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor or a Rune Priest with Runic Armor tanking shots taken at them ups their survivability enormously, as enemies typically don't like wasting their shots on 2+ armor when there are more immediate and easier targets.

I'm leaning towards 3 units of 2x Lascannon 3x Missile Launchers now. Versus most flyers, you can just ignore them (the Heldrake being the obvious exception) but if need be you can fire 15 shots at them and probably bring them down. If nothing else, the Missiles are key for killing stuff like the Doom of Malan'tai, MCs, and other pesky guys.

Yes. ML Long Fangs are hideously undercosted. Whether or not you can keep them alive is irrelevant - your opponent is spending enough firepower to remove several 3+ T4 bodies that are probably in cover. They've done their job.

In 1000pt games I like to run 3 squads of them with an even split of Las Cannons and Heavy Bolters, with the sergeant splitting fire. It won me several games in a row against quite a few lists.
In larger games people tend to bring a lot more things that can kill them quickly but if people are focusing on them then they aren't focusing on the rest of my troops.

Some dude I played against had them decked with plasma and wolf priests giving them prescience. That game sucked.

I've replaced my Long Fangs with Vendettas unfortunately. 3 TL Lascannons and 2 Heavy Bolters on an AV 12 Flyer is better than 5 Missile Launchers on a 6 man infantry unit any day IMO. My 3 Long Fang Packs essentially turned into half the Allied Detachment I bring. Its the only way to deal with Flyers effectively without resorting to Forge World (which unfortunately several people have issues with at my FLGS).

Though to be honest, if it weren't for Heldrakes I probably would be able to make do with them. But given Heldrakes, its too hard to keep them alive and they have almost no chance of actually killing one, let alone three.

I've been toying with the idea of some Multi-Melta Long Fangs in a Drop Pod though. No need for Logan, and they'd come down Turn 2/Turn 3. Preferably after the enemy Flyers. Drop in right behind them, I'm Snap Firing anyways... Well its an interesting thought. Would require my Rune Priest already on the board for Divination, and to be near where an enemy Flyer comes, but I think it'd be a easily workable tactic against Heldrakes to be honest.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Yes. ML Long Fangs are hideously undercosted. Whether or not you can keep them alive is irrelevant - your opponent is spending enough firepower to remove several 3+ T4 bodies that are probably in cover. They've done their job.

This. If your Long Fangs are not surviving, it's because your opponent is going "uh oh, better kill those things or they'll kill me".

If you remove them, you'll find that your opponent will just focus his fire onto the next most threatening thing.

I can't say I've witnessed anything less in 6th edition out of Long Fangs with ML than I did in 5th. Deploy them in a ruin or in an Aegis and they'll usually do great.
Yes, they'll attract a lot of fire, and will die early to a long ranged shooty army like Tau or DE, who will prioritize them, but if you remove them for an alternative (Like vindicators, for example) you're just shifting target priority to something that is, really, no more survivable than 5 or 6 well placed Long Fangs in an Aegis.

anonymou5 wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:

Corollax wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Wolves have access to Hyperios Platforms. You'd probably get more mileage out of those than Long Fangs.

never read anything called hyperios ever especially not in SW codex. I'm a fan of longfangs still but I prefer all plasma cannons or the best recent idea ive heard are drop podding multi melta fangs

FW unit, IA Aeronautica. SW do have access to it,and if your meta allows, it's essentially a must run if you want to go pure SW

Ah, thats why my meta is strictly no FW stuff.