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So I am having an issue right now I am trying to add a new fast attack option to my chaos marine army

i know the turkey is good, but, there is a problem don't like the model at all. so that leaves me with three choices raptors/talons, bikes and spawn...all i'm asking really is what of those three would you recommend?

Honestly I think all of the choices are good. Each has a particular "zone" though.

I do have to ask, if you don't like the model but you like the rules why not just change the model? Conversions or counts as are great solutions.

I still think spawn spam is incredibly tough to beat. Especially if you throw a lord on bike in each squad and an ally herald. Cheap, 3W, T5 large units that can easily get cover.

 alabamaheretic wrote:
So I am having an issue right now I am trying to add a new fast attack option to my chaos marine army

i know the turkey is good, but, there is a problem don't like the model at all. so that leaves me with three choices raptors/talons, bikes and spawn...all i'm asking really is what of those three would you recommend?

DIY heldrake? You could convert a FW flier or a dragon etc...

Bikers are quite useful -- tough, fast, special equipment

Raptors aren't so good unless you want a melta suicide unit.

Spawn are great tarpit assault squads. Tie up shooters.

Bikers are either fast moving special weapon squads or biker HQ escorts.

Raptors play like less cost efficient bikers.

 alabamaheretic wrote:
So I am having an issue right now I am trying to add a new fast attack option to my chaos marine army

i know the turkey is good, but, there is a problem don't like the model at all. so that leaves me with three choices raptors/talons, bikes and spawn...all i'm asking really is what of those three would you recommend?

bikes are ridiculously under-costed
rapotrs are over costed
spawn are cheap, fast, fearless and with MoN are difficult to ID. They are the best tarpit in the game.

Helturkeys kill meq scoring units like virtually nothing else. 1 is almost an auto take. I made mine out of a storm talon with grabber claws and a bunch of flamers.

 zephoid wrote:
Especially if you throw a lord on bike in each squad and an ally herald.

Heralds are Primary Detachment only BTW. So the Chaos Lord + Spawn would have to be the allies.

T6 Chaos Spawn are cheap and move fast. As a vehicle to deliver your Chaos Lord on Bike they work very well.

all great points.

so if i decide to take the conversion route what would you all suggest?

so the bikes being undercosted thats a good thing i know make them t6 with MoN and send them on their way.

i really am not sold on the spawn idea.

but the conversion has loads of potentail just a matter of what to convert and make it still viable and that jazz

Goatboy did a cool maulerfiend/terrorgheist mashup that's pretty boss. Google "40k goatboy heldrake conversion," I'm sure you'll find it.

You could definitely make a solid list spamming spawn and autocannon havocs.

Without the chicken of doom, bikes of nurgle (t6) or slaanesh (t5+FnP) are both top tier competitive units. A lord on a bike adds death, a lord on a steed of slaanesh lets the whole unit outflank with acute senses.

As others have said, Nurgle spawn are sick for the points. takes dozens of shots wounds to take em out, they move 12 in through cover and get crazy.

 Exergy wrote:

 alabamaheretic wrote:
So I am having an issue right now I am trying to add a new fast attack option to my chaos marine army

i know the turkey is good, but, there is a problem don't like the model at all. so that leaves me with three choices raptors/talons, bikes and spawn...all i'm asking really is what of those three would you recommend?

bikes are ridiculously under-costed
rapotrs are over costed
spawn are cheap, fast, fearless and with MoN are difficult to ID. They are the best tarpit in the game.

Helturkeys kill meq scoring units like virtually nothing else. 1 is almost an auto take. I made mine out of a storm talon with grabber claws and a bunch of flamers.

exergy, could you show us picture please? I also hate the model and would consider making a conversion like you did.

Nurgle bikers laugh at basic infantry shooting, now if only cult bikers and terminators were a thing...

 Exergy wrote:

 alabamaheretic wrote:
So I am having an issue right now I am trying to add a new fast attack option to my chaos marine army

i know the turkey is good, but, there is a problem don't like the model at all. so that leaves me with three choices raptors/talons, bikes and spawn...all i'm asking really is what of those three would you recommend?

bikes are ridiculously under-costed
rapotrs are over costed
spawn are cheap, fast, fearless and with MoN are difficult to ID. They are the best tarpit in the game.

Helturkeys kill meq scoring units like virtually nothing else. 1 is almost an auto take. I made mine out of a storm talon with grabber claws and a bunch of flamers.

I feel like raptors are underappreciated in this edition. I'm not sure if it's so much being overcosted as being over shadowed by several other more efficient choices. One thing to be said for the raptors is they can scoot up to LOS blocking terrain, and then leap over it the following turn. Bikers are often better off going around, which may take more time. They lack some of the inate defense value of bikes, but they make up for it with better (IMO) mobility. I also think they may be more killy by a hair than bikers. Maybe not the most efficient, but they still have a place.

Spawn are awesome, but I can see them being tied up by walkers and MCs.

what about warp talons they look cool but from what i heard they kinda are the suck on the table top

 alabamaheretic wrote:
what about warp talons they look cool but from what i heard they kinda are the suck on the table top

They do look cool and have always wanted to field them, but they are just so expensive for melee only units

ahhh well im just trying to keep my options open...so far im digging the raptors and the tough bikes still not digging the turkey though

I love my Nurgle Bikers, with 2x meltas and Combi Melta. T6 and Jink. Good times.

Raptors would be more viable if they had a point reduction compared to bikers.
It's silly things like Raptors paying more for VotLW and having larger squad size.
That and the relative pointlessness of fear.

With how many points they cost, warp talons are pretty much just very expensive marines that you can deep strike. As said before they can serve as a suicide squad of meltas. Handy for taking out IG gunline tanks.

Raptors aren't overcosted... they are at the right spot being only 3 points above a normal marine but the bikes and spawn give you more for the points, this however doesn't mean that the raptors are a bad unit, they are just fighting against some awesome fast choices.

Raptors are viable though with a few special weapons and marks/banners.

I did not like the Heldrake model either. I converted mine from a Terrorgheist from vampire counts perched on top of a garden of morr building. It looks pretty sick.

I try to run spawn with a sorcerer ML3. Spawn with invisibility eat things.

I have not had much experience with bikes and raptors. There are a lot of hell turkeys in my area which eat both units pretty effectively and the new tau won't care about increased toughness and/or cover.

-Drakkol

Personally I love the bikes. All of the bike models from every army, so I would end up going with the bikers lead by a sorcerer and/or a lord.

But if you are just trying to fill your FA slot and already have plans for your HQ and dont want to sink that many points in to it, then it may not play out as well.

 Mr. Voidness wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
I made mine out of a storm talon with grabber claws and a bunch of flamers.

exergy, could you show us picture please? I also hate the model and would consider making a conversion like you did.

sadly havent gotten around to painting it so it looks horrid. Will try and work on that.

Thanks for sharing, dwelling on some ideas for conversion

Get one of the giant eagles from WHF and add some more flames and whatnot.

When fear does go off using Raptors it's amazing. Raptors definately fill a very small niche and require some planning to use to their fullest.

I'd like to know how bikes are overpriced though. Slapping on MoN to make them T6 and laugh at small arms fire is pretty amazing.