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2000 points of orks... can I make a list that could beat tau...dos it even exist?

I played against tau with my tyranids (they died) despite having 1 tervigon and 3 Mc's, 50 termagants and 20 termagants with devourers in a mysetic spore+ some other things..

So.. is there a list that could mean, orks beat tau? or is it just a fantasy?

Doesn't Exists. Just a Fantasy...Sorry.

Na but seriously im not sure on Ork tacs but Tau can still be overwhelmed by bodies. You just have to find a way to get them there without getting shot up. Isnt there stormboys who can charge when they deepstrike (Ofc always out of sight of EWO Riptides)? If you took as many as you can and attack isolated Tau units yo can avoid the crazy overwatch but you will always take casualties.If your going to assault tau you have to do it with everything at the same time to avoid supporting fire...without getting shot to Ork hell on the way...

Well, first of all that tyranid list doesn't seem (from the extremely limited information) to be optimized. What was in the Tau army? Was your opponent all tooled up to fight bugs?

If someone tailors their list to beat yours and you don't respond in kind, of course it's going to get ugly.

If you played a TAC list and still got spanked, it could be generalship, but maybe we just need to fuss around with the list a bit.

Post your Bug list up in a separate thread, we'll address that as well if you like.

Finally, the answer to your question is, of course. Any given sunday, any codex can beat any other. It's a dice game. Orks are not hopeless, they still have a few competitive builds. They won't be winning any no-comp tourny's any time soon but they can make things interesting.

How many Ork boyz do you have? At 2k, you probably need to bring AT LEAST 150 to have a prayer.

I don't have a codex in front of me but something like this:

Warboss on a bike with Klaw
Nob Bikers x7 with klaws

x30 Lootas

5 mobs = x30 Shoota boyz, x3 Rokkits, Nob w/ PK

Even if he kills 100 boyz by the time you charge, that's 50 boyz charging. time your waagh well and be careful with your bikes, hiding a bit if necessary in the early turns. The lootaz should be able to hang back with their 48" range and pop floaty metal boxes. Tau have some things that can reach beyond 30" but in cover, your lootas should be able to put a dent in his heavier stuff.

 Messy0 wrote:
Doesn't Exists. Just a Fantasy...Sorry.

Na but seriously im not sure on Ork tacs but Tau can still be overwhelmed by bodies. You just have to find a way to get them there without getting shot up. Isnt there stormboys who can charge when they deepstrike (Ofc always out of sight of EWO Riptides)? If you took as many as you can and attack isolated Tau units yo can avoid the crazy overwatch but you will always take casualties.If your going to assault tau you have to do it with everything at the same time to avoid supporting fire...without getting shot to Ork hell on the way...

yea I as thinking of trukks and generally faster stuff try and get there in one piece.. but the person i play has like interceptor and 48 fire warriors and a hammer head with longstike (hs got no riptide yet tho.. ) but iam not so sure...

Nothing is impossible. Yes it will be harder because you have an older codex but the Ork codex has held up remarkably well...

You can mass a bunch of boys.
You can outflank Ghazy with snikrot and some rangers (yes you can not assault out of reserve but if you can come in out of sight of a lot you can get into CC the next turn. The tau still crumble to CC, so if you can get into CC, you will likely win...
You could deepstrike Stormboyz and assault with the upgrade.
Lootas are great, even lootas in a battlewaggon with KFF save... It is true that tau can take away saves with marker lights but it takes 2 and there is a limit to them... I do not think it is impossible

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Nothing is impossible. Yes it will be harder because you have an older codex but the Ork codex has held up remarkably well...

You can mass a bunch of boys.
You can outflank Ghazy with snikrot and some rangers (yes you can not assault out of reserve but if you can come in out of sight of a lot you can get into CC the next turn. The tau still crumble to CC, so if you can get into CC, you will likely win...
You could deepstrike Stormboyz and assault with the upgrade.
Lootas are great, even lootas in a battlewaggon with KFF save... It is true that tau can take away saves with marker lights but it takes 2 and there is a limit to them... I do not think it is impossible

Yea, The player Iam against only has 2 marker light drones. The problem is because of this hes got more shooty stuff like stealth suits, 2 devil fish 48 fire warriors, shadowsun? (is it shadowsun? ), some crisis suits, a hammerhead with longstike and 3 broadsides.

Against Tau i recomend the biker army backed up by dakkajets or lootas/kannons.

You can try, but taus are much stronger than orks, imho.

the only thing that can make it are 45 lootas, maybe with 3 trukks to move Flat-Out after they shoot so they go out of sight, and all the Ork Boyz you can fit to run towards them: you force your opponent to kill them or be engaged in CC (and then he will lose for sure), and in the meanwhile you hope to roll decently with those D3s and saturate them to death from a distance (stay more tha 36" from missilesides!). Honestly, i don't think you have other options. Taus also have quite a good variety, there is not just one list that works, and what works vs one list may not work vs others (for example, instead of using quality fire with Crisis, he could spam FWs with Ethereal... in this case, all your boyz will be melted easily),

Winning with Orks in 6th ed is a fantasy, but to answer your question Tau vs Orks, Tau have the new codex and Orks were unplayable in 6th ed anyway so... you will never EVER win a game vs Tau not in your wildest dreams. Don't lisn to these guys about stormboyz thanks to that new supporting fire rule which EVERYTHING in the Tau codex can have, Infantry and Suits have it standard and vehicles have to upgrade to have it for like 2pts.
So even if you did take Zagstruck who by the way is a special character for the stormboyz ( not spammable ). You will be shot down in your assault phase thanks again to supporting fire. Also Marker Lights are totally spammable e.g. Pathfinders all have Marker Lights you can have about 24 of them, All Suits can have 2 Marker Light Drones and all Infantry leaders can have a Marker Light and 2 Marker Light Drones.
God help you the day he finds out about Stealth Marker Light Drones (Stealth Suits)

That is all.

So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

 jackblg wrote:
So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

Stick to a gunfight? Rambo wants a word with you.

Play the game for fun! at 2k the best way to take on tau is with Speed or a huuuge horde then i mean really huge.

Trukk rush him and force multiply assaults, being fast veichles they are. move 12 flat out 12, you are in his face allready then next turn move six jump out six charge 2d6 it's pretty far ahead

Nob bikers, T5 with 5++ (along with painboy) allways a 4+ cover save thnx to exausth pipes... and also dont even bother to listen to the guy above.. he's just a butthurt forum dweller who recently made a new account because his old one was banned for the same thing, (Whining 24/7 about orks)

notyorkskargrinironhide wrote:
Winning with Orks in 6th ed is a fantasy, but to answer your question Tau vs Orks, Tau have the new codex and Orks were unplayable in 6th ed anyway so... you will never EVER win a game vs Tau not in your wildest dreams. Don't lisn to these guys about stormboyz thanks to that new supporting fire rule which EVERYTHING in the Tau codex can have, Infantry and Suits have it standard and vehicles have to upgrade to have it for like 2pts.
So even if you did take Zagstruck who by the way is a special character for the stormboyz ( not spammable ). You will be shot down in your assault phase thanks again to supporting fire. Also Marker Lights are totally spammable e.g. Pathfinders all have Marker Lights you can have about 24 of them, All Suits can have 2 Marker Light Drones and all Infantry leaders can have a Marker Light and 2 Marker Light Drones.
God help you the day he finds out about Stealth Marker Light Drones (Stealth Suits)

Your saying in absolutes that you will never ever win is a Farce and Fallacy, you can win with ANY army if you put your mind to it and have good tactics. I am friends with a guy who took 3rd edition Necrons to 'Ard Boyz in 5th edition.
If you stopped whining for a second that you can't win and think of ways too win, I bet you could do it too, but if you want to whine about how it is not fair and you can't do it, then you will find a way to make it happen...

phatonic wrote:

 jackblg wrote:
So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

Stick to a gunfight? Rambo wants a word with you.

Play the game for fun! at 2k the best way to take on tau is with Speed or a huuuge horde then i mean really huge.

Trukk rush him and force multiply assaults, being fast veichles they are. move 12 flat out 12, you are in his face allready then next turn move six jump out six charge 2d6 it's pretty far ahead

Nob bikers, T5 with 5++ (along with painboy) allways a 4+ cover save thnx to exausth pipes... and also dont even bother to listen to the guy above.. he's just a butthurt forum dweller who recently made a new account because his old one was banned for the same thing, (Whining 24/7 about orks)

see iam thinking i can at leat try with ork, having fun is of course the main reason but it dos seem like its stacked against me... iam thinking nob bikers and as many boyz as i can in trucks then just lootas for the remaining points...

 jackblg wrote:
So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

Cry me a freakin' river!
The Tau are not the most powerful army out there.... and I have beaten them with Orks...
Bikes can do it, though with markerlights taking away their cover save it can be difficult but they still have 4+ armor and if you are smart you have th 5+ invuln... with a painboy to give them FNP....

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 jackblg wrote:
So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

Cry me a freakin' river!
The Tau are not the most powerful army out there.... and I have beaten them with Orks...
Bikes can do it, though with markerlights taking away their cover save it can be difficult but they still have 4+ armor and if you are smart you have th 5+ invuln... with a painboy to give them FNP....

id love to know what the guy you played against took...

yea bikes sound like my best option, I am just not sure, I guess time will tell

I've been a tau player ever since 4th edition, and when I fight Orks I know what I'm afraid of, and Bike Spam with huge boy blobs, possibly backed up by some lootas, is bad news.

The list I ran Biker /Nob Squad with Boss Bike, Warphead, 30 man blob, 20 man blob, runtz, aegis, big gunz squad 3 kannons with runtherders x2, 3 loota squads, 3 dakka jets fighta ace and extra supa shoota, aegis with quad gun...

Tau player
Ethereal, Commander, crisis suit team with drones, drone squad, sniper drone squd, riptide ion cannon, pathfinders, broadside team with missile upgrade, 2 kroot squads, fire warrior squad x2 1 devilfish, hammerhead with ammunition upgrade and longstrike, drone squad

My nob bikers went forward, my 30 and 20 man blob advanced got 'Ere we go deep struck them close and safe, dakka jets waaghed took out riptide, assaulted broadsides bikes, back big gunz, runts manned quad gun and held objective, shot kroot outflank with lootas killed. Basically went forward with blobs and nobz... Did I lose tons of crap, HELL yeah, DID I rape gak in CC once I got there HELLS YEAH. It can be done, having played both sides... I have not played Tau as much with their new codex but still doable...

Want to beat Tau? Assualt them. Use 6 squads of 30 shoota boys with 2-4 KFFs and run across the table and assault him. Shadow sun isn't gonna do anything to boys. Only Farsight will have any effect. You'll have to pin him in combat with 2-3 squads so he can't hit and run (if your opponent is smart enough to take it). Supporting fire is only real effective when 1 unit is assaulting them. Assault with all of your units and its just normal over watch.

Your biggest challenge is vehicles with fletche. They will do a number to your boys.

Seriously, Tau can't put out that much firepower to kill 180 boys in 3 rounds of shooting. And once you assault them its over.

 jackblg wrote:
So its not worth trying?

Kinda sucks everytime i look at is Tau I just go.. yea your so so overpowered its like taking a stick to a gun fight

Disregard the haters, especially that guy whose posted nothing but "feth Orks" in each of his ten posts on this site.

Orks are indeed underpowered as it is, but its only really a problem against really scary new lists like the Tau. You will, however, need to go into maximum overspam to be on par.

>4x Chumpster Mek w/ nogear

>110x Lootas

>40x Grots, 4x Runtherd
>20x Boys

Ork Codex 2K Biker List

HQ
Wazdakka
WarBoss/Bike,PK,CB,BP,AS

Troop
9 Bikers/Nob,PK,BP
9 Bikers/Nob,PK,BP
9 Bikers/Nob,PK,BP
9 Bikers/Nob,PK,BP
5 Nobs/Bike,3PK,WB,BP,PB,CB WarBoss

Fast
5 DeffKoptas TL-RKTS WazDakka

that would work, or...
3 or 4 groups of 30 boyz with nob with bosspole and pk
25 or 30 kommandoes.
9 bikes
stormboyz
lootas
deffkopters if you have the points.

Kommandoes charge, and disrupt the tau.
Once they defeat the kommandoes, the stormboyz and bikes will be upon them.
Lootas and deffkopters cause panic test and maybe get a boom cannon for some AOE damage.
Once they finally defeat the bikes, stormboyz, and kommandoes, the 3rd wave (boyz) will be upon them, ripping them to shreds, and wearing tau armor as trophies.

This is a hot topic, orks vs tau, and every time I see a post with that title, I type the same answer. Use distraction units, and divide their fire. People underestimate boyz and the sheer amount of killiness they cause.
Fast, infiltrating, and dangerous units are perfect. Kommandoes can charge turn one or 2, leaving boyz untouched. Bikes are toughness 5 and have a cover save to whoever is behind them, (boyz) and stormboyz also are fast and can do a cover save.
Bikes can also mover flat out, so they will be in the tau lines in turn 2.
turn 3 its the stormboyz and lootas and deffkopters who do the most damage, causing the tau to kill them before the boyz.
Turn 4 the boyz charge and win
Turn 5 the boyz win ever moar and capture and control.

Make sure to oversell the damage the stormboyz and bikers will do, so that the tau shoot them first. If the tau spend 2 tuns shooting the boyz, then it all falls apart. However that is also why we have fast units, to tie the tau up is CC.

Just my opinion, but I have found it works nearly every time. And it is fun to see the sweat on the tau players forehead as he wonders who to shoot at. No matter what he shoots at, there is another unit backing up. This list is very cohesive if you back your units up and use cover to get to the enemy lines before getting shot up. This list can be used against IG, SM, Tau, Dark elder and just about everyone.


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Btw that's about 160 models on the field at once!

Anyone ever tried a Burna-Bomba against Tau? I recently did and it devasted them. Flying over his infiltrated Kroot and dropping the bomb, then shot the missiles into a firewarrior squad, decimating the first, wipe out the later. Got in trouble next turn, but not before bombing his Pathfinders. That plane single-handely broke a whole flank.
Next Game it didn't do quite as much, but drew more fire than ist should, (Seems it scared my opponent) giving my boys some time to move up. Still killed a bunch of fire warriors.
Mind you, that bombs and missiles take away their saves completely.