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So - Remnants of Glory list states "A model may replace one weapon with one of the following", which is pretty unambiguous for the weapons, however the Phoenix Gem and the Spirit Stone of Anath'lan are both listed as "Does not replace one of the character's weapons".

So - can you take one of the weapons AND one of these items? Say take the Shard of Anaris and the Phoenix Gem?

I'm not even sure you can make a RAW call on this... Anyone?

From memory but i believe it says only one remnant of glory per arm....could be wrong though.

As I see it - there is something similar in codex da, last entry, don't have it here to check verbatim - it means that Remnants of Glory are taken in place of one weapon, except the Phoenix Gem and the Spirit Stone.

Which means that yes, you may take one of these and a "normal" Remnant of Glory.


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CrPhoenix wrote:
From memory but i believe it says only one remnant of glory per arm....could be wrong though.
Regards
Jimmy

This means you can't have two identical pieces in two different models, though

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CrPhoenix wrote:
From memory but i believe it says only one remnant of glory per arm....could be wrong though.
Regards
Jimmy

This means you can't have two identical pieces in two different models, though

Says nothing about arms. Just says they are unique - one per army. The only thing is says is what I said above - they may take one to replace one weapon. Super ambiguous.

Also - who else wants to give their Farseer a 120" AP3 Sniper rifle? Who *wouldn't*?

majendie wrote:
Says nothing about arms. Just says they are unique - one per army. The only thing is says is what I said above - they may take one to replace one weapon. Super ambiguous.

Also - who else wants to give their Farseer a 120" AP3 Sniper rifle? Who *wouldn't*?

Codex says may replace ONE weapon with ONE of the following, so the way I see it you can take as many items as you have weapons as long as you only take one of each, as they're unique, and since the spirit stone, phoenix gem and mantle don't replace weapons you can take them also.

How about an autarch with the long rifle and the mantle? a BS 6 character with a 120" AP 3 sniper rifle who also has 3+/4++ Shrouded, stealth and re-rollable cover saves? sounds good to me.

A litte ot but why not giving the autarch a bike? Move shoot move again and a 120" precision rifle. Not competitive but really fun though.

 Shredder wrote:
Codex says may replace ONE weapon with ONE of the following

I'd say that means you can replace one weapon only, not multiples, but that you can take the other items that are *not* replacing weapons. So you can take the rifle, shard or sabre, then the gem, spirit stone and the mask all on one character. Gets expensive but giggly-fun.

If you replace two weapons, have you replaced ONE weapon?

Hmmm, I guess you could read it like that. I read it as if you didn't have a weapon to replace you couldn't take any more remnants.
But is does say that the characters can take items not item so taking one that replaces a weapon and one that does not would be ok.

majendie wrote:
Says nothing about arms. Just says they are unique - one per army. The only thing is says is what I said above - they may take one to replace one weapon. Super ambiguous.

Also - who else wants to give their Farseer a 120" AP3 Sniper rifle? Who *wouldn't*?

We've dubbed it the Sniperseer.

As I read it a model can replace any weapon multiple times. Imho it's even possible to replace let's say a witchblade with Firesabre and then replace Firesabre with Shard of Anaris, provided point costs are paid.
How it's written it is a bit ambigous. However there are plenty of examples of models replacing one and/or both of their own weapons, just like a Space Marine Chapter Master.
"one with one" has to be read "on a 1:1 basis".

Chapter Master are a good similar case to me. Watch out I said similar, I'm perfectly aware that SM Chapter Master is clearly explained while remnants of glory are not.

I'm waiting for insight on this.

Btw I'm planning on taking an autarch with Shard of Anaris and Mantle of the Laughing God. Turn 2 charges are good and rerollable 2+ cover is even better. It will provide a good diversion for my jetseer warlord.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If you replace two weapons, have you replaced ONE weapon?

What about those items which do not require you to replace a weapon with?

Iranna.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If you replace two weapons, have you replaced ONE weapon?

Well I replaced one weapon... Twice actually, but on a 1:1 basis.

Ah, so you replaced 2 weapons? Not one weapon?

Please find allowance to replace two weapons

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ah, so you replaced 2 weapons? Not one weapon?

Please find allowance to replace two weapons

I'm not reading that part as you read it. I might be wrong as my English is not perfect and I'm reading an English codex.

Is Shard, Mantle, Gem and Spirit Stone an allowed equip in your reading? Shard do replace a weapon, the other three do not.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ah, so you replaced 2 weapons? Not one weapon?

Please find allowance to replace two weapons

What about those items which do not require you to replace a weapon with?

Iranna.

 Iranna wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Ah, so you replaced 2 weapons? Not one weapon?

Please find allowance to replace two weapons

What about those items which do not require you to replace a weapon with?

Iranna.

That's basically the original question. I think it's clear that you can only take one weapon, but are you able to take more than one item, as long as they are not those that replace weapons?

It's an expensive upgrade path but I believe that was the intent of the rule - take a weapon and a couple of the other items, if you want to pay for it.

I assumed you could take multiple items.

E.g Farseer replaces Pistol with Wings and replaces witchblade with Fire Sabre then takes mantle as it doesn't replace anything.

Doesn't seem OP, easy to counter and it costs a LOT.

I was just sorting the first part - that you do not get two weapons that replace two weapons, as that breaks the rule allowing you to swap one weapon.

If you do not swap a weapon, it looks like you can get both a weapon and a non-weapon item. For example a mantle and a longrifle. There also seems to not be anything stopping you from taking two nonweapon items, so a gem and mantle, for example

This is because the unit entry gives you permission to select items, and the items list only places a restriction on weapons being swapped.

Eldarcannon wrote:
A litte ot but why not giving the autarch a bike? Move shoot move again and a 120" precision rifle. Not competitive but really fun though.

Because the Battle Focus rule only allows you to shoot before/after a Run move. Bikes do not Run.

However eldar bikes allow you to always make a 2D6" move in the assault phase, which is almost always superior to a D6" rerolled move in the shooting phase.

I still think you can swap more than one, but that its a 1:1 conversion rate.

Jacob29 wrote:
I still think you can swap more than one, but that its a 1:1 conversion rate.

So if you swap 2 weapons for 2 items, how have you fulfilled the rule allowing you to swap ONE weapon?

Ploease provide permission to swap 2 weapons. Page and graph is sufficient. Or is this a HIWPI argument? If so, as per the tenets of the forum denote it as such

 Cheexsta wrote:

Eldarcannon wrote:
A litte ot but why not giving the autarch a bike? Move shoot move again and a 120" precision rifle. Not competitive but really fun though.

Because the Battle Focus rule only allows you to shoot before/after a Run move. Bikes do not Run.

Uldanorethi long rifle is hevy 1. You can't use battle focus with that.

jetbikes can move in assault phase, you aren't using battlefocus.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
I still think you can swap more than one, but that its a 1:1 conversion rate.

So if you swap 2 weapons for 2 items, how have you fulfilled the rule allowing you to swap ONE weapon?

Ploease provide permission to swap 2 weapons. Page and graph is sufficient. Or is this a HIWPI argument? If so, as per the tenets of the forum denote it as such

I don't need to provide permission because there are no restrictions in my reading. It all depends on how are you reading "one weapon with one...".
If this is a restrictions to number of swappable items, then yes I need a permission that i won't find.
If this is just "hey dude just swap them 1:1", then no, I don't need a permission at all.

It all falls back to that. By first reading i was pretty sure I can swap for 2 weapons, now i'm not. However 2 weapons won't be broken as they cost very much.

Jetbikes are also Relentless, so the problem isn't Heavy but is they can't run. Not that it matters since Jetbikes are so much faster even without Battle Focus working.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
I still think you can swap more than one, but that its a 1:1 conversion rate.

So if you swap 2 weapons for 2 items, how have you fulfilled the rule allowing you to swap ONE weapon?

Ploease provide permission to swap 2 weapons. Page and graph is sufficient. Or is this a HIWPI argument? If so, as per the tenets of the forum denote it as such

No, he'd have swapped one weapon for one item twice.

He's reading it by revisiting the Remnants of Glory list, you are reading it by looping the statement. I don't see any problem with either method of interpretation. (Although the army list entry for the Autarch gives him permission to take "items" from that list and not "an item", so guess which interpretation I am partial to)

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
I still think you can swap more than one, but that its a 1:1 conversion rate.

So if you swap 2 weapons for 2 items, how have you fulfilled the rule allowing you to swap ONE weapon?

Ploease provide permission to swap 2 weapons. Page and graph is sufficient. Or is this a HIWPI argument? If so, as per the tenets of the forum denote it as such

Because I swap ONE weapon for ONE item but then I do it again.

It doesn't say it is limited to 1 nor I can only do this once.

Its like vehicle upgrades, "swap X for Y". The reason it says one weapon for an item is so you can't buy ALL of the Glory items.