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At least today, I have seen a lot of eldar lists that do not plan on running a Wraithknight...

Anyone care to comment as to why this is?

It's pricey. You're looking at 300 points for the good config. I don't think I'd take it under 2k, the other HS choices are just too good in comparison for what I want.

It's not very effective for what it costs.

I think i'm in the minority, but I like and can see the WK doing well. Monstrous creatures are more my style. Heck, if I could do it, i'd play nothing but Monstrous Creatures for a list.

Its a fire magnet mostly. People view the new giant unit as a threat and focus fire with anti-tank, which will probably be cheaper then the WK itself. Its gone by two turns, usually not getting its points back in kills.

That and you have to sell a kidney to buy the model.

It's ok, but not that good.

 Eldarain wrote:
It's not very effective for what it costs.

Exactly.

Why should I pay $115 for something when I can pay $75 that ends up being 2/3rd the point price, and can pump out a TON more shots. (referring to War Walkers.)

I will be getting the model eventually. It's frakkin beautiful, and it would be an amazing center piece to my army, but it won't be anytime soon.

The fact you could run 2 Prisms and an artillery battery for slightly more than one Suncannon Knight does it for me.

It is indeed an awesome model, one I'll be buying purely for the joy of painting it. But yeah I can see it being a fantastic bullet magnet, and getting blown up rather quickly in most games.

Maybe get two of them? Just need to mortage your house again, no problem!

WraithKnights are dumb, looking, they are expensive, they soak points and they are AWESOME but you can totally win without them. So really... I hope a lot of people use this model to rebel against gouging by simply not owning nor seeing many played.

They are VERY impressive in play. I've witnessed that first hand. Just about no point in firing at them unless you're just looking for something to do or you have like 24 lascannons or something.

Ironically, DE love facing that tall target (sternguard too), waste of points and of $$. Looks nice though

yeah we'll be chipping in for my mate's one for his Birthday.

But DANG it's expensive!!!

And don't you get more firepower over two wraithlords for the same price?

Certainly will see it during apocalypse games though. But I'm amazed at GW putting something out that expensive.

lets face it war walkers are probably eldar best weapons fast can outflank and now have an invun save

but for sheer looks and to force your enemy do something the WK has a special place but I think where it will shine is in apocolypse sized games as the 2 hvy wriat5h cannons will shred super hvys and titans so as a fast response anti super hvy I can see there value

War walkers are king though or even good old wave serpents

I don't plan on playing a WK in anything short of 2.5k or Apoc. There are just far too many combinations I can field for those points that are FAR nastier and more versatile.

I bought one, and I can honestly see myself buying more, because there are some seriously awesome modeling possibilities with it. But I doubt I'll field it often, it's just a bit underwhelming in game terms.

1. it's new
2. it's expensive
3. it's new
4. it sort of not in the Eldar flavor
5. it's new

 Eldarain wrote:
It's not very effective for what it costs.

Pretty much, it suffers the Monolith problem.

Games workshop built a new giant walker, and thought "Everyone loves these giant walkers, this will sell like hotcakes!"

They didn't realize that for the most part, people begrudgingly bought the expensive giant models because of their good abilities, not because "Ooh giant model"

So they diddn't give it brilliant rules, and as such, people are thinking "Ok, so the rules are not so good, so I won't get one. I might buy one just to paint it and....wait...it costs how much!? Screw that, I can buy a ton of pretty models for that price!"

I think its rules are pretty good actually. But not sooo amazing I'll buy 3 to fill up my HS slots.

Its more the kind of model you buy 1 of to complete your collection. Unless someone is a diehard Iyanden player I don't see many people getting more than 1.


$115 is expensive. For the model size I'd say its about right, but its still on the expensive side.

There are a couple of eldar players in my local group, and they all agree that stats and abilities wise, the wraithknight is good enough that they would include it in their armies. Price isn't really an issue for them, and i would dare say it shouldn't be if you 'want' it. what the biggest issue though is its size.
None of them feel its worth the trouble of taking it too and from games sessions each week because even with a custom games case, they feel it might get damaged, and of course its not good enough that it would be worth it to take that chance.

Overall, i get the feeling that the unit is good (i'm still to face one) but the model is too large, and its not significantly better than other choices, or multiple choices up to the same points, to offset the nightmare the thing must be to transport

madtankbloke wrote:

Overall, i get the feeling that the unit is good (i'm still to face one) but the model is too large, and its not significantly better than other choices, or multiple choices up to the same points, to offset the nightmare the thing must be to transport

Good is still a stretch. For the points it costs it doesn't perform like a unit along those lines. I'd say it is 'Okay' which isn't enough when the Prism, Warwalkers and Reapers are 'Great' and Falcon is 'Good'.

I can see Suncannon variant being really great against marines, but it is overpriced against anything else. But that is the standard practice, everything that is good at killing marines costs a lot of points.

Watched a tournament list of 1650pts. with x3 Wraithknights wreck face and wipe out everyone he faced. I think they are very effective but you need more then one in order to do it.

Well. They *DID* just come out this month. Give people time to figure them out, I think.

 kronk wrote:
Well. They *DID* just come out this month. Give people time to figure them out, I think.

What? You mean everyone doesn't immediately buy the new shiny because its shiny? Afterall, they had no idea what was going to happen the previous day because you know the internet doesn't exist.

Say it ain't so!

madtankbloke wrote:
There are a couple of eldar players in my local group, and they all agree that stats and abilities wise, the wraithknight is good enough that they would include it in their armies. Price isn't really an issue for them, and i would dare say it shouldn't be if you 'want' it. what the biggest issue though is its size.
None of them feel its worth the trouble of taking it too and from games sessions each week because even with a custom games case, they feel it might get damaged, and of course its not good enough that it would be worth it to take that chance.

Overall, i get the feeling that the unit is good (i'm still to face one) but the model is too large, and its not significantly better than other choices, or multiple choices up to the same points, to offset the nightmare the thing must be to transport

I find if you don't glue the legs into the fit, it's very stable, but also easy to remove the base for taking it to games.

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I imagine a lot of people are giving it flack because they haven't tried it/fought one yet and are either jumping on the bandwagon or not considering how dangerous it can be. Mathhammer alone, it's not nearly as easy to take out as people suggest. With the Iyanden codex, it's even better since its relatively easy to heal, can take some nasty Warlord traits and battle focus makes it (slightly) more threatening. The thing is, I don't sit it in the back row. I jump it forward with two Wave Serpents full of Wraithguard, blasting the whole time. When it gets close, it's going to break whatever it hits (just try to avoid fearless hordes unless you have the Hemlock nearby). If it doesn't straight up kill enough of what it's hitting to break it, including vehicles (and I think it hits on the rear armor, though I didn't have to check this during my last game), it's now a serious threat to everything near it.

Better yet, I use it to give cover of block line of sight to my second wave, a group of foot Wraithguard with two Wraithlords backing them.

To be fair, I haven't used the Wraithknight in an Aspect or Guardian force, but I am more than impressed with it's performance in a Wraithwing.

Too easy to kill for it's points cost.

Overpriced for what it does and is not as tough as the MUCH cheaper riptide.

So expensive! It's like super heavy expensive

Im not keep on the WK or the RT. I would not field a WK against GK's because for the most part nearly every grey knight can Insta kill it lol.