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There is an interesting discussion going on at Faeit 212 regarding the wording for the psychic power Puppetmaster and how the wording is in the digital app versus the BRB. Here's the link:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/06/rules-differing-between-digital.html

Nafka contends that only walkers can pivot based on his own assumptions and a FAQ question, but I personally think that's not how it should be interpretted. Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

There is also some discussion going on regarding the phrase "a shooting attack" meaning all weapons on a vehicle can be shot. I disagree with that notion, as "a shooting attack" does not equal "shoot all available weapons". I take it to mean you can shoot a single weapon on the vehicle (including the serpent shield).

Anyways, an interesting discussion, and I was wondering what Dakka's take on it is.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

I'd argue the exact opposite: the digital products are only available to people who also buy an ipad and may or may not be written by the same people who write the paper versions (like non-english translations), so the "official" version of the rules is the printed copy plus any relevant FAQs/errata.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

I'd argue the exact opposite: the digital products are only available to people who also buy an ipad and may or may not be written by the same people who write the paper versions (like non-english translations), so the "official" version of the rules is the printed copy plus any relevant FAQs/errata.

The digital version's are updated to include changes in wording as a result of an errata. This one is kind of a strange though, as Puppet Master has never been errata'd (errataed? my Latin conjugation skills are almost non-existent) but has been the subject of a few FAQs. From the text in Natfka's post, it seems like the wording in the app has been changed to reflect some of the subject matter of the FAQ, which is quite strange. I would agree with Peregrine though,we should default to what's in the rulebook, with any relevant FAQ's/errata to solve this dilemma. I personally feel that a "Shooting attack" does not necessarily refer to the shots from a single weapon. The phrase is purposefully ambiguous, as, depending on what kind of model is the target of the power, it's "Shooting attack" may involve more than one weapon. A monstrous creatures with more than one ranged weapon for example.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

I'd argue the exact opposite: the digital products are only available to people who also buy an ipad and may or may not be written by the same people who write the paper versions (like non-english translations), so the "official" version of the rules is the printed copy plus any relevant FAQs/errata.

Well honestly if you have an Ipad and show me the update I'll call that official. If you don't than by all means play without it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

I'd argue the exact opposite: the digital products are only available to people who also buy an ipad and may or may not be written by the same people who write the paper versions (like non-english translations), so the "official" version of the rules is the printed copy plus any relevant FAQs/errata.

The digital versions of each codex are officially released by GW. They are no more or less valid than any other official source of rules. How to adjudicate differences in those rules is another matter, but claiming that the digital products are less authoritative is absurd.

 alienvalentine wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Its generally accepted that the digital products are the most up-to-date rules-wise, and the digital app does not specify a unit type, just the ability to pivot on the spot prior to shooting.

I'd argue the exact opposite: the digital products are only available to people who also buy an ipad and may or may not be written by the same people who write the paper versions (like non-english translations), so the "official" version of the rules is the printed copy plus any relevant FAQs/errata.

The digital version's are updated to include changes in wording as a result of an errata. This one is kind of a strange though, as Puppet Master has never been errata'd (errataed? my Latin conjugation skills are almost non-existent) but has been the subject of a few FAQs. From the text in Natfka's post, it seems like the wording in the app has been changed to reflect some of the subject matter of the FAQ, which is quite strange. I would agree with Peregrine though,we should default to what's in the rulebook, with any relevant FAQ's/errata to solve this dilemma. I personally feel that a "Shooting attack" does not necessarily refer to the shots from a single weapon. The phrase is purposefully ambiguous, as, depending on what kind of model is the target of the power, it's "Shooting attack" may involve more than one weapon. A monstrous creatures with more than one ranged weapon for example.

Sure there is one for puppet master in regards to pivoting a walker making a shooting attack and now that walkers rear armour is facing your army.7


Q: Does the Puppet Master power allow the controlling psyker to
‘pivot’ an enemy Walker in order to select a target not currentlyin its
fire arc? (p423)
A: Yes, but the model is assumed to return to its original
facing when itreverts back to the owning player’s control.


Q: When are effects from non-direct-damage dealing witchfire
psychic powers (such as Puppet Master) applied if the casting model
is part of a unit that is firing in the same Shooting phase? (p15)
A: The firing player gets to choose the orderin which the
psychic power and shooting attacks are resolved.

Q: Is an enemy model affected by the Puppet Master psychic power
treated as a friendly model for the purposes of resolving its shooting
attacks (so, for example, cannot target an enemy unit with a blast
weapon in a manner that would also hit itself)? (p423)
A: Yes.