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Police unions in New York City are blasting a piece of legislation they say will handcuff them, by preventing cops from using little more than the color of a suspect’s clothing in descriptions or risk being sued for profiling.

A half-page ad in Thursday’s New York Post paid by the NYPD Captains Endowment Association and the Lieutenants Benevolent Association asks: “How effective is a police officer with a blindfold on?”

The answer is not very, according to Roy Richter, president of the Captains Endowment Association who is seen in the advertisement wearing a blindfold in bustling Times Square. Richter claims Intro. No. 1080 would send crime rates soaring and told The Post the bill is dangerous because it will “ban cops” from identifying a suspect’s age, gender, color or disability.

The proposal, sponsored by Jumaane Williams, D-Brooklyn, would effectively expand the definition of profiling, which is already prohibited. It specifically pertains to what factors officers can consider before stopping a potential suspect.

The bill defines profiling as "an act of a member of the force of the police department or other law enforcement officer that relies on actual or perceived race, [ethnicity, religion or] national origin, color, creed, age, alienage or citizenship status, gender, sexual orientation, disability, or housing status as the determinative factor in initiating law enforcement action against an individual, rather than an individual's behavior or other information or circumstances that links a person or persons [of a particular race, ethnicity, religion national origin] to suspected unlawful activity.”

Thursday’s ad urges residents to contact local councilmembers to urge them to vote against the bill. City Council Speaker Christine Quinn is reportedly going to bypass normal committee processes to bring the measure directly to a vote.

“If a police officer transmits descriptions beyond clothing color they can be sued for racial profiling,” Thursday’s ad reads. “That’s dangerous for the public and police officers.”

City councilmembers, according to the bill, have “deep” concerns regarding the impact of the NYPD’s growing reliance on stop-and-frisk tactics, and particularly the impact of the practice on communities of color.

“In 2002, the NYPD made approximately 97,000 stops,” the bill reads. “By 2010, the number of stops had increased to more than 601,000. Black and Latino New Yorkers face the brunt of this practice and consistently represent more than 80 percent of people stopped despite representing just over 50 percent of the city's population.”

Stop-and-frisk practices, further, have not increased public safety, sponsors claim, as year-after-year nearly 90 percent of individuals stopped are neither arrested nor issued a summons.

NYPD Detectives Endowment Association President Michael Palladino criticized Quinn for supporting the rare expedited process and said his union plans to place ads in newspapers next week.

“The (union’s) ad will focus on . . . Speaker Quinn’s political decision to sell the security of all New Yorkers for votes,” Palladino told the newspaper. “Where was the speaker and her legislation for the last seven years?”

A spokeswoman for Quinn said the proposal was sent to a full vote because a majority of councilmembers supported it and Public Safety Committee chair Peter Vallone Jr., who opposes the measure, refused to let it out of committee.

Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Pat Lynch said the “so-called biased policing” package was a misnomer.

“Rather than focus on unnecessary laws, the council should be supporting its police officers — not attacking them,” he said. “Racial profiling is already illegal — and should be.”

Williams and fellow Brooklyn Democrat Brad Lander, a co-sponsor of the proposal, told the Post the bill, if passed, would only expand the city’s existing racial-profiling law by adding other demographic groups that should be protected, such as homeless and homosexual individuals.

Lander told CBS New York that police union officials are mischaracterizing the bill.

“They know they’re misrepresenting the legislation,” Lander told the station. “Police officers will continue to be able to use skin color and gender and age and height in suspect descriptions. What doesn’t work is profiling people based solely on they’re being one race, being one religion, being gay, living in public housing.”



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The claims the police union make are so outlandish, so plainly ridiculous, I have to believe that they are indeed mischaracterizing it.

Additionally, the NYPD has a real problem with race as a factor in their enforcement (and have had so for a long time, though not as bad as, say, Los Angeles). I don't want to threadjack you, but it seems impossible to discuss NYC law enforcement without talking about stop and frisk. Stop and frisk specifically has some truly awful statistics attached to it - blacks and latinos make up about 25% each of the city's population, but are the target if 84% of stop & frisks, despite the fact those populations are statistically less likely to than whites to have guns or drugs found in those same stop & frisks (in 2012, anyway).

The real issue is that stop and frisk results in nothing being found 88% of the time - thats a lot of police hassling that turns out to be wrong just about 9 times out of 10. This should bother people regardless of political inclination.

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They make up about 25% each of the city's population...how frequently do they show up as perpetrators of crime? Are they over or under or proportionally represented?
   
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'Stop and search' didn't work out too well over here, contributing to race riots while being ineffective in combating crime. A ECHR report has shown that fewer searches has lead to fairer policing while the rate of detections and arrests has risen as street searches have been reduced.
   
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The best part is that 53% of the patrol force for the cops of the NYC are minorities (as of 2011 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576066302323002420.html) so are we protecting minorities against themselves? The NYC legislators are by far some of the stupidest people on the planet.

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Well...I see private citizens weapon purchases going up if they can get one if this goes through


Not in NYC at the least...its one really tough to obtain and own legal weapons here. Not impossible, but harder than usual.

   
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 WarOne wrote:
are we protecting minorities against themselves?


No, we are protecting the citizenry from over zealous law enforcement. It also isn't as if all people of a certain ethnic background know each other and can do a secret handshake to get out of a stop and frisk.

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Not unless you're a Stonecutter, anyway.

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 Ahtman wrote:
 WarOne wrote:
are we protecting minorities against themselves?


No, we are protecting the citizenry from over zealous law enforcement. It also isn't as if all people of a certain ethnic background know each other and can do a secret handshake to get out of a stop and frisk.


I understand the overzealous enforcement but to make it a case of racial profiling? Does it sound hollow?

   
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To go in the other direction, do you think it's possible police will literally no longer be allowed by statute to identify perpetrators? Doesn't that sound impossible?

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 WarOne wrote:
I understand the overzealous enforcement but to make it a case of racial profiling? Does it sound hollow?


Not really. It isn't as if minorities can't be dicks to each other, even including profiling. A black cop can assume a guy in a jersey and sagging is a gangster just as much as a white cop.

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I hate that the policy was called "stop and frisk" as it creates confusion between the Terry Stop and a policy instructing officers to make as many Terry Stops as possible. The first of which is fine and the second of which is stupid.
   
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They make up about 25% each of the city's population...how frequently do they show up as perpetrators of crime? Are they over or under or proportionally represented?


I see this didn't get noticed the first time around.

I'd be interested in the answer myself.

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 Seaward wrote:
They make up about 25% each of the city's population...how frequently do they show up as perpetrators of crime? Are they over or under or proportionally represented?


I see this didn't get noticed the first time around.

I'd be interested in the answer myself.


According to the NYC.gov statistics, blacks made up 50% of suspects, while hispanics made up 30%, whites 17%. In terms of arrests blacks were 37%, hispanics 36%, and whites 23%.

So, both major "minorities" made up 11-12% more of arrests then their population make up, with blacks being suspected in about twice as much as their population make up. Interesting to note, while blacks were suspects in 50% of the cases, they were only actually arrested in 37%, while hispanics and whites saw a significant uptick in suspect to arrest ratio.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

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 djones520 wrote:
 Monster Rain wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
They make up about 25% each of the city's population...how frequently do they show up as perpetrators of crime? Are they over or under or proportionally represented?


I see this didn't get noticed the first time around.

I'd be interested in the answer myself.


According to the NYC.gov statistics, blacks made up 50% of suspects, while hispanics made up 30%, whites 17%. In terms of arrests blacks were 37%, hispanics 36%, and whites 23%.

So, both major "minorities" made up 11-12% more of arrests then their population make up, with blacks being suspected in about twice as much as their population make up. Interesting to note, while blacks were suspects in 50% of the cases, they were only actually arrested in 37%, while hispanics and whites saw a significant uptick in suspect to arrest ratio.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf


Let's go beyond arrests to conviction rates and compare that.
   
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NYPD....just a couple para's

At the end of 2010, the New York City Police Department had the most diverse force in its history, with a majority of rank-and-file police officers coming from minority communities, officials said.

Of the 22,199 officers on patrol, nearly 53% were black, Latino or Asian, marking the first time minorities outnumbered whites by any significant measure, according to police department statistics reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Minorities had been in a dead-heat with white patrol officers since late 2006, and began inching toward a majority in 2008.

The trend has brought the department's racial breakdown closer to the overall ethnic makeup of the city.


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In this case, the NYPD Union has gone completely over the top. It just hurts their credibility in the long run and accomplishes zippo.

   
 
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