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So I want to run a Blood Angels list with some terminators with a Libby in terminator armor in a land raider. What I can't seem to decide on is assualt termies or regular shooty termies. If i fail to get these guys into CC I want to at least me able to shoot something with them, is this reasonable thinking or am I approaching this wrong? Please note I don't have my BA codex available as I am on a "business trip" but I'll have it in a few weeks. Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks.

Which land raider hull? I personally like shooty terminators (10 strong) with 2 cyclone missile launchers for my termie librarian with storm shield and force axe. He hands out buffs, which can help wih rerolls. Once I got FNP for the warlord and his attached unit with warlord traits. I will deep strike these guys though, not put them in a raider. If your gonna put them in a raider, you're wasting their shooting. I find assault terminators to be a little underwhelming.

I was going to go with a LR crusader. I can see what you mean with wasting there shooting capability, the last thing I want to have is so slow moving assault termies not accomplishing anything but absorbing bullets. Would a drop pod work better? It would be cheaper for sure.

I would go with shooty terminators with a single sang preist and a libby in power armor.

Both get a 2+ look out sir and then you have the term sarg for challenges. Shooty terms do the same amount of damage in CC but just dont have the 3++. Feel no pain helps offset that while still having a large threat range of shooting.

I don't believe that they can take drop pods. What you do is take a drop pod with a locator beacon, have it come in turn one. Then teleport your terminators in on turn two on top of it

BA Termies can't take drop pods.

I agree that shooty Termies should DS, although if you want a priest and lib with them they need to be in Termie armour too. Unless you take power armour and jumppack and try to DS with them.

I've never really tried running Termies in my BA to be honest, I find them too expensive and you really need to build around them rather than being able to integrate them into a force...


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 evildrcheese wrote:
BA Termies can't take drop pods.

I agree that shooty Termies should DS, although if you want a priest and lib with them they need to be in Termie armour too. Unless you take power armour and jumppack and try to DS with them.

I've never really tried running Termies in my BA to be honest, I find them too expensive and you really need to build around them rather than being able to integrate them into a force...


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I'm starting to get this feeling also.

I used to feel that way, but the times I have fielded my shooty squad with attached librarian its been pretty successful.

One game I even managed to jump Belial and powerfist him to death. Was a sorry sight for the DA that day.

I have been known to beam in shooty terminators w/ heavy flamer with a locator beacon. They cyclone is just not enough fire power for the cost imo.

We all know how you feel about ML rounds Martel :p

I find I get good mileage out of them, what they can't kill with missiles and storm bolters, they smash into purée with powerfists and chain fists. I used to take book powers with my librarian and blood lance works well with the cyclone. It would probably work well with the assault cannons also.

MLs are even worse now with 4+ cover wave serpents running around. The need for autocannon torrent of fire has never been greater for the Imperium.

Once I started beaming in shooty terminators with sanguinary priest and heavy flamer, I pretty much stopped using them any other way.

For LR "death star" I actually prefer DC to TH/SS terminators by a smidge because the DC are better vs huge infantry blobs.

Its 5 points per model to upgrade to TH/SS. For the price you pay to put your Libby into Terminator armor you can buy 1 Sanguinary priest which leaves you room for 7 more termies in the Landraider. Depending on powers for me determines lvl. If you take book powers id make him a lvl 1 and take Shield of Sanguinius so your landraider will always have a +5 up cover save even out in the open and you cast the power on your opponents turn so when your turn comes up you can use something offensive such as blood lance, fear, or might. If you go lvl 2 id take Divination make all your termies pretty much TL. If your using shooty termies than deep strike them and save yourself the points from the landraider cause for the price of that you could get a tactical squad in a drop pod w/locator beacon down on turn one so you wont scatter with you termies on turn 2 unless they target the drop pod.

Personally I run TH/SS terminators, usually with a Librarian with a Force Stave and SS. It's done very well so far. The hardest part is getting them into CC range, once that occurs though I've only met a couple blobs that 5 TH/SS termis and a librarian in termi armor cannot take down. A couple have made it costly, but the 5 terminators are a nasty group. The downsides are shooty weapons will whittle them down, and they are slow if you are marching them. Shooty terminators are just too expensive for what you get IMO, I'd rather take Sternguard or a Baal. Hell, you can take tac marines and get the same number of shots, minus the special weapons.

Assault terminators, for the fact that BA can get red thirst making them more assaulty, and a sang priest making them more survivable, both of the things you want from assault termies.

Wow Martel, I'm amazed you actually said something nice about the DC. I agree with you. I would rather have 10 DC in a Landraider than 5 assault terminators. The DC will chew through a lot of units. For fun I like to put DC Tycho in a Landraider. Most people don't take him too seriously and he's not competative, but sometimes it's just fun to do something different.

Actually, I like everything about 10 DC in a LR except the price tag. And that they can't score, but DC function more like elites.

I really like running 5 TH/SS terminators in my land raider. I would add a S. Priest and a Librarian, but I'm one of the weird ones who prefers the godhammer version of the land raider. I usually have my librarians and priests in jump pack squads nearby so the terminators benefit from the Librarian's divination and the priest's furious charge and FnP.

Tactical terminators would be better to deep strike or footslog (depending on your list and tactics) and I would never run assault terminators without a land raider. It is just too easy for the enemy to run away from them, keeping them out of the assault and shooting them to death. A land raider almost guarantees an assault, and keeps them at full strength until then.

I usually go for the 5TH/SS termies, but alot of that has to do with the fact that I almost always play against Grey Knights who have psycannons and alot of cheap daemonhammers. I'm not sure how that configuration would do against hordes though (they probably wouldn't have enough attacks to take care of it, and 3++ doesn't help much against 30 boyz). Depending on who you fight, tactical terminators may be a better choice.

But, in general, 10 DC hit way harder than 5 TH/SS terminators. Especially against mass infantry blobs. I haven't seen much I like out of TH/SS terminators honestly. They get tarpitted and dakkaed down a lot.

Thanks for all the advice guys, running DC and a chaplain in a LR sounds alot more affective to me now. I was planning on running a tac squad in a rhino but now I might drop pod them with that beacon for shooty termies.

I like shooty termites, but if you're going to invest in a land raider for them, then I can't see much of a reason not to go with the storm shields.

2+/3++/5+ FNP with the possibility of invisibility seems insane.

Would it be a good idea to take mainly termi's for an SM army? Since im sort of thinking that the idea might hepl a lot and let me win more often, since they are harder to kill, than a regular tactical space marine, and their saves just piss people off, and their weapons such as the storm bolter, get assault 2, so would it be better or worse to replace my tac marines with termi's maybe keep 1 tac squad, and have the rest of my foot based units be termi's?

 orkkiller21 wrote:
Would it be a good idea to take mainly termi's for an SM army? Since im sort of thinking that the idea might hepl a lot and let me win more often, since they are harder to kill, than a regular tactical space marine, and their saves just piss people off, and their weapons such as the storm bolter, get assault 2, so would it be better or worse to replace my tac marines with termi's maybe keep 1 tac squad, and have the rest of my foot based units be termi's?

For 5 models it's 200 points, without upgrades. You will have so few bodies on the table you will likely get tabled, unless they have absolutely no AP2 weapons and you get really lucky with your rolls. They get wounded as easy as a marine, and enough saving throws will start losing out eventually.

PS: 1 squad tactical and everyone else termis is not a legal list.

DC don't need a chaplain they are WS 5. Spend your precious points elsewhere. Whatever those DC assault out of the LR is going to die if you choose your targets properly.

Using a beacon for shooty terminators, to me, is all about getting a heavy flamer and power fists into play quickly.

Ok, i might just take a 2nd squad of termis or a 3rd, but keep my current tac squads, thanks!

I can't stress how much more infantry the heavy flamer will kill over the assault cannon or cyclone in the current game meta. Guardsmen going to ground, etc can all suck it from the STR 5 AP 4 flaming goodness.