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So, starting DE, and have a few debacles I am attempting to work out. First is how to be equipping ravagers in 6th. I understand tripple lances are good, I have used them, and enjoy the gak out of them. But with more and more infantry being used, and high access to low armor saves, I have been taking a long look at desintegrators. 9 S5 ap2 shots is nothing to laugh at and allows it to still engage light vehicles. As well, being able to throw grenades now, wyches in venoms with thrown haywires seems to be a far more reliable way to strip hull points than 3 lances.

In any case, I am considering going tripple D-grater ravagers or double D-grater and 1 lance ravager. Thoughts?

As well, I dont use fliers, have never really liked fliers and likely wont ever use them... so what is Deldar's answer to flyers? massed shots? Ignore them? Quad gun?

In any case would appreciate any thoughts.

The biggest obstacle to DE in 6ed (or at least one of several) is anti-flier. They have no reliable answer outside of their own fliers and even then its lackluster. Taking some eldar allies can help a little: rerolling the snap shots via farseer helps, waveserpents and warp spiders can be pretty good at tagging rear armor with S6, dark reapers and war walkers can help a bit also and the crimson hunter, although fragile, can kill a flier the turn it comes in more often then not.

Outside of eldar allies and a quad gun you are kinda stuck with the De fliers or trying to ignore enemy fliers.

Sadly I can't think of any.

MIght be worth looking at spearhead formations, see if there's anything that gives you a useable bonus there, such as re-rolls to hit. Even then though, you can't use them on the majority of your shots fired, as they have no effect vs armour values.

Aegis with a quad cannon, our own fliers, or ally buffs seem to be the order of the day!

 gameandwatch wrote:
As well, being able to throw grenades now, wyches in venoms with thrown haywires seems to be a far more reliable way to strip hull points than 3 lances.

FYI I believe you may only throw a single grenade per squad.

Razerous wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
As well, being able to throw grenades now, wyches in venoms with thrown haywires seems to be a far more reliable way to strip hull points than 3 lances.

FYI I believe you may only throw a single grenade per squad.

This is true.

However, as passengers can only fire snapshots if the vehicle moved above combat speed you're only going to be moving 6" with that Venom if you want to be able to use that grenade effectively. In which case get out of the venom, lob a haywire grenade, fire a blast pistol if you've got one and then assault to hit it with more Haywires in CC. With transports hit it with two units of five and surround it. If it gets wrecked and the opponent cannot place a base touching the hull which isn't within 1" of an enemy then the unit inside is destroyed as they cannot complete the disembark move.

 gameandwatch wrote:
So, starting DE, and have a few debacles I am attempting to work out. First is how to be equipping ravagers in 6th. I understand tripple lances are good, I have used them, and enjoy the gak out of them. But with more and more infantry being used, and high access to low armor saves, I have been taking a long look at desintegrators. 9 S5 ap2 shots is nothing to laugh at and allows it to still engage light vehicles. As well, being able to throw grenades now, wyches in venoms with thrown haywires seems to be a far more reliable way to strip hull points than 3 lances.

In any case, I am considering going tripple D-grater ravagers or double D-grater and 1 lance ravager. Thoughts?

As well, I dont use fliers, have never really liked fliers and likely wont ever use them... so what is Deldar's answer to flyers? massed shots? Ignore them? Quad gun?

In any case would appreciate any thoughts.

it is never worth mixing and matching weapons on a Ravager and it is almost never worth taking Dgraters at all.

DE's answer to a single flyer is a quad gun and massed shots. DE answer to massed flyers is to ignore them/ move out of their fire arc.

Well mixing and matching on one ravager was never my intention, and I dont see how 9 S5 ap 2 shots is so easily written off. Fliers I understand and will likely just ignore them most of the time.

I think likely a 2:1 ratio will be best, like 2 lancers, one degrater or vice versa

Don't the DEldar have some of their own fliers?

1. Ally with Tau
2. Take min kroot and broadsides
3. ???
4. profit

 agnosto wrote:
1. Ally with Tau
2. Take min kroot and broadsides
3. ???
4. profit

Why not just play Tau then?

Isn't the Void Raven a fairly solid AA unit? S9 lances and AV11.

It is, and you can take it without upgrades to keep it cheap-ish. Although I like it suped up a bit, at least with two missiles so it can Alpha Strike your number one threat regardless of what it might be.

Yeah the raven bomber is really good....problem is unlike all newer 6th flyers, they are heavy not fast choices and eat up ravager space.

I dont want to do allies, I am not a big fan of the allies rule in general (just not my thing, I feel armies should be good enough to not NEED allies, and most of the possible allies make no sense fluffwise [why would necrons EVER ally with chaos?]) and funny enough I already play Tau, so I know the joy of b-sides.

Only sad part to lance weapons on flyers as well, is that as far as the anti flyer platform is in general, lance isn't necessary since almost no flyers are over av12

In any case it is lookin like ignoring them and killing everything else or just snap shots to oblivion is the way to go.


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But seriously, anyone have much experience with d-graters in 6th? Havin a hard time not likin the 9 shots of S5 ap2...

The Void Raven is a very good anti-flyer flyer.

At the very worst, its going to need 3s to glance even the heaviest armored flyer. And it can do double duty as anti-tank.

Sure, it competes with Ravagers, but I think its pretty favorable.

Ravagers have 3 regular str 8 lances. The Void Raven has 2 Str9 lances that can shoot at flyers without penalty. A favorable trade IMO.

I'd rather take the Dissies on Raiders, mostly because if I only have one gun I'd rather it have three shots instead of one.

My unpopular opinion is that if you want to take dissies, then it is better to take them on Raiders because they are likely to be shooting at infantry or MC already and the extra S5 AP2 shots can really help against most targets, or are at least more useful due to the volume of fire. But I don't like them on Ravagers as much because I would rather take more gunboats to deal with infantry or add Trueborn Venoms or anything. I don't think I'd want to field a list without some kind of ranged AT in case you play against DK GK or something where charging a vehicle is not likely to end well. At least with BL Ravagers you can play the mobility game and try to strip hull points and thin the vehicles before engaging. You might also suffer against any semi-mechanized list if you don't have the Ravagers. Overall just a safer pick

 Grey Templar wrote:
The Void Raven is a very good anti-flyer flyer.

At the very worst, its going to need 3s to glance even the heaviest armored flyer. And it can do double duty as anti-tank.

Sure, it competes with Ravagers, but I think its pretty favorable.

Ravagers have 3 regular str 8 lances. The Void Raven has 2 Str9 lances that can shoot at flyers without penalty. A favorable trade IMO.

My biggest gripe with the Void Raven is that you have to put it in reserves so you lose the early round of shooting if you're playing one less Ravager. I think the first round or two are often the most decisive with DE and not having the Void Raven on the board could be painful. OTOH, you might come out on top if the enemy does bring a flyer but it's not exactly guaranteed and I think I'd rather have a quad gun or something than bring the Void Raven. That's just my opinion though, I'm sure you could make the Void Raven work.