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At the rate the Orks are growing there, yeah my vote on Orcs too. Also I really hope the next Ork codex has Octaruis War Orks, make them a MC since the Orks are suppose to be getting as big if not bigger than Thraka there because of all the giant Nids they keep killing and getting killed by
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Depends if the Orks are able to breed on planets the Tyranids have scoured (I want to say no, since there isn't even any atmosphere left), and how reslient the Ork spores are to the microscopic attack a Tyranid invasion mounts on living cells in the later stages of invasion.
Endlessly multiplying Sporks has to be the worst fluff change in the history of 40K.
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Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Octarius is an entire sector crawling with Orks, the war is not going to end any day soon, and Boss Blaktoof is one heck of a big Ork who has the guts to WAAAGH right into the face of a hive fleet.
I'd venture as far as to say that the battle on the planet Octarius is the single largest land battle happening in the galaxy at the moment.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote: Endlessly multiplying Sporks has to be the worst fluff change in the history of 40K.
Nobody wants to imagine female orks or ork sex.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
And there's a reason why bloodbowl isn't canon to Fantasy battle.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
In the unlikely event the Necrons could get to mass-producing Pylons again - they would win. That would severely weaken nearly all the major factions - Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, Imperium, Space Marines, Eldar.
They could take the fight to the Dark Eldar in the Webway - and since they don't necessarily need it (Least of all, Commoragh) they could just bomb most of it.
Then it comes down to the Tau, conventional Space Marines, IG, and Orks (sans WAAAAAGH).
Tau are too small in number, Space Marines and IG may be hampered by possible effects on the Astronomicon due to the Pylons - and they would both be butchered in space, according to fluff.
Orks could possibly push them to a stalemate. Necrons could butcher them in space, and on the ground - but I don't think they could ever actually get rid of all of them. Too many Orks, on too many planets, making more Orks.
All of this hinges on the Necrons working together for some crazy reason and no other far-off things going wrong/right (Void Dragon, Outsider, Tyranid main fleet, Ynnead, etc.)
And there's a reason why bloodbowl isn't canon to Fantasy battle.
I like to think of it as the reason female Orks were retconned.
In answer to the OP though, we don't know, all we know is that whoever wins will be a nigh unbeatable foe. I'll find the source for that if no one else can back me up on that, I know it's quoted somewhere.
kinratha wrote: It will be a war in which the win will destroyed by the Imperial fleet sitting on the out side waiting for the moment to attack.
The winner will be far more powerful than what was put in at the beginning.
There's a reason why the Ordo Xenos considers Kryptmann's gambit to be the dumbest move ever.
Whomever wins will be so much more powerful than before that the Imperium can do nothing but lose horribly.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I was referring to the fact that instead of being the galaxy's awful, rowdy neighbors, Games Workshop grimdarked them all up to poof into clouds of spores when they die, making them an endlessly renewable resource. The spore part of the fluff thing is old, and I really have no problem with that.
Orks were a remnant of a bygone era where 40K was less serious and more fun. The problem with making them into an inexhaustible army that is replenished by fighting is that it follows a trend of GW trying to out-grimdark itself. In the old days, that was the Tyranids. The "Oh carp, we're all gonna die if we don't stop this." Chaos was fractured and spent as much time fighting itself as it did the Imperium. The Orks would only be a threat every few decades when one leader emerged and banded together enough Orks for a Waaaaagh.
Now, there are a bajillion Necrons. And the Tyranids are still going to eat everything. And Chaos is going to conquer everything. And now Orks are unstoppable too?
It sorta takes out the significance if everything is the greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen, lol. The Orks were far more fun when they were just Mad Max in Spaaaaaace. The fact that an Ork Empire is somehow holding up an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet simply by fighting it] takes away from the dread of the Tyranid threat, and cheapens the universe.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
I was referring to the fact that instead of being the galaxy's awful, rowdy neighbors, Games Workshop grimdarked them all up to poof into clouds of spores when they die, making them an endlessly renewable resource. The spore part of the fluff thing is old, and I really have no problem with that.
Orks were a remnant of a bygone era where 40K was less serious and more fun. The problem with making them into an inexhaustible army that is replenished by fighting is that it follows a trend of GW trying to out-grimdark itself. In the old days, that was the Tyranids. The "Oh carp, we're all gonna die if we don't stop this." Chaos was fractured and spent as much time fighting itself as it did the Imperium. The Orks would only be a threat every few decades when one leader emerged and banded together enough Orks for a Waaaaagh.
Now, there are a bajillion Necrons. And the Tyranids are still going to eat everything. And Chaos is going to conquer everything. And now Orks are unstoppable too?
It sorta takes out the significance if everything is the greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen, lol. The Orks were far more fun when they were just Mad Max in Spaaaaaace. The fact that an Ork Empire is somehow holding up an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet simply by fighting it] takes away from the dread of the Tyranid threat, and cheapens the universe.
The entire fleet?
Try one tendril of one fleet.
On the other hand Maugan-ra solo'd this.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
In the Tyranid codex no less. Because soloing the forces of Chaos and the Tyranids is just how Maugan Ra rolls.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
And there's a reason why bloodbowl isn't canon to Fantasy battle.
I like to think of it as the reason female Orks were retconned.
In answer to the OP though, we don't know, all we know is that whoever wins will be a nigh unbeatable foe. I'll find the source for that if no one else can back me up on that, I know it's quoted somewhere.
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kinratha wrote: It will be a war in which the win will destroyed by the Imperial fleet sitting on the out side waiting for the moment to attack.
The winner will be far more powerful than what was put in at the beginning.
There's a reason why the Ordo Xenos considers Kryptmann's gambit to be the dumbest move ever.
Whomever wins will be so much more powerful than before that the Imperium can do nothing but lose horribly.
It just takes a few exterminatus nukes and Poof, winners are gone.
Yeah, but getting the payload thither may be a teensy bit problematic.
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kinratha wrote: It will be a war in which the win will destroyed by the Imperial fleet sitting on the out side waiting for the moment to attack.
The winner will be far more powerful than what was put in at the beginning.
There's a reason why the Ordo Xenos considers Kryptmann's gambit to be the dumbest move ever.
Whomever wins will be so much more powerful than before that the Imperium can do nothing but lose horribly.
It just takes a few exterminatus nukes and Poof, winners are gone.
Except the winners will have a vastly greater fleet than the Imperial forces there.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
kinratha wrote: It will be a war in which the win will destroyed by the Imperial fleet sitting on the out side waiting for the moment to attack.
The winner will be far more powerful than what was put in at the beginning.
There's a reason why the Ordo Xenos considers Kryptmann's gambit to be the dumbest move ever.
Whomever wins will be so much more powerful than before that the Imperium can do nothing but lose horribly.
It just takes a few exterminatus nukes and Poof, winners are gone.
Except the winners will have a vastly greater fleet than the Imperial forces there.
That's only a sure thing if the 'Nids win.
An Ork fleet could be quite worn down by all the fighting.
Gork and Mork seem to provide orks with space hulks when it's time to waaagh out of the area.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Now, there are a bajillion Necrons. And the Tyranids are still going to eat everything. And Chaos is going to conquer everything. And now Orks are unstoppable too?
It sorta takes out the significance if everything is the greatest threat the galaxy has ever seen, lol. The Orks were far more fun when they were just Mad Max in Spaaaaaace. The fact that an Ork Empire is somehow holding up an entire Tyranid Hive Fleet simply by fighting it] takes away from the dread of the Tyranid threat, and cheapens the universe.
Well, Orks' role as antagonists, the way I see it, has always been the one of an enemy that you can never truly defeat. No matter what there will always be more Orks out there, and they will always be eager to attack you. In that way they embody the 'eternal war' part of the setting. I was never a huge fan of the idea that once a world has been attacked by Orks it will never be free of them again, but it is pretty much in line with the core idea.
Now if there's one bit of fluff I don't like, it's the Beast. That whole bit about if Orks ever united they would rampage all over everything else is all well and good, but it's always been purely theoretical. So many Orks could never unite - they would inevitably fight each other instead. Orks represent never-ending war, not an apocalyptic end-game scenario. I mean, Orks are probably the only faction that think the galaxy is perfect just the way it is! I don't like that it actually could happen. And I like the idea that it actually happened, but then the Imperium won anyway, even less!
kinratha wrote: It will be a war in which the win will destroyed by the Imperial fleet sitting on the out side waiting for the moment to attack.
The winner will be far more powerful than what was put in at the beginning.
There's a reason why the Ordo Xenos considers Kryptmann's gambit to be the dumbest move ever.
Whomever wins will be so much more powerful than before that the Imperium can do nothing but lose horribly.
It just takes a few exterminatus nukes and Poof, winners are gone.
Except the winners will have a vastly greater fleet than the Imperial forces there.
That's only a sure thing if the 'Nids win.
An Ork fleet could be quite worn down by all the fighting.
Gork and Mork seem to provide orks with space hulks when it's time to waaagh out of the area.
Why would they leave the area? It's theirs.
When has any empire worth it's salt been content with not expanding their dominion?
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
I actually find it funny that fluff tries to say that the battle is up for grabs and then follows it up with the Tyranids have pretty much won every major battle in this campaign, even when outnumbered, and control most of the system.
At least one thing came out of this, the Imperium will be finished with the Ork problem in that area.
Galdos wrote: The fluff claims the Orks are being destroyed.
I actually find it funny that fluff tries to say that the battle is up for grabs and then follows it up with the Tyranids have pretty much won every major battle in this campaign, even when outnumbered, and control most of the system.
At least one thing came out of this, the Imperium will be finished with the Ork problem in that area.
And now you have a Tyranid hive fleet that has devoured every world in an entire sector.
Good job there Kryptmann.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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