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Hi, just a bit of a nitpick over some rules here.

Today I had a game of Orks vs Chaos, I had two squads of boys fighting one unit of Khorne Berserkers, and they had won. I failed both morale tests on the boys and they were running away.
Now here's my question, is says in the rules that "compares its total with the total of each falling back enemy units it was engaged with", does that mean I do each test seperate for each Ork Boy unit, or add both 2D6 together.
And following up, "any unit that is equals or beats are destroyed", does that mean all units, like if I had 4 units running away and failed test, they all die? That seems a bit strange for one unit to slay them all.

Help me out here!

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Buffalo, NY

It is one test compared to multiple tests. So in your example (using arbitrary numbers):
Ork unit A rolls 8
Ork Unit B rolls 3
Chaos Unit rolls 6

Unit A escapes, Unit B is killed.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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And if Ork Unit C had rolled a 5, they'd be run down as well.

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UK

So if all the tests fail, they all die?

 
   
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That's correct.

 
   
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 Blackgaze wrote:
Hi, just a bit of a nitpick over some rules here.

Today I had a game of Orks vs Chaos, I had two squads of boys fighting one unit of Khorne Berserkers, and they had won. I failed both morale tests on the boys and they were running away.
Now here's my question, is says in the rules that "compares its total with the total of each falling back enemy units it was engaged with", does that mean I do each test seperate for each Ork Boy unit, or add both 2D6 together.
And following up, "any unit that is equals or beats are destroyed", does that mean all units, like if I had 4 units running away and failed test, they all die? That seems a bit strange for one unit to slay them all.

Help me out here!


Why are you testing on 2d6? sweeping advance tests on 1d6+initiative.

 
   
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Metalica

 Blackgaze wrote:
That seems a bit strange for one unit to slay them all.

No stranger than for a single character to beat, break and sweep a unit of 50 Conscripts. Which a lot of HQs can do without breaking a sweat.

 
   
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Buffalo, NY

 Purifier wrote:
 Blackgaze wrote:
That seems a bit strange for one unit to slay them all.

No stranger than for a single character to beat, break and sweep a unit of 50 Conscripts. Which a lot of HQs can do without breaking a sweat.


Which is even less strange than a Tervigon (Init 1) catching 19 Kabalite Warirors in SA. my Tervigon was really, really hungry...

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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I was testing out a 1024 point farsight bomb with a friend. Needless to say, some very bad luck happened and I ended up being swept away by a single model after he successfully took out two of my drones. I had planned for the high leadership, coupled with hit and run, to ensure that close combat was not much of a threat. 2 HQ units, 7 bodyguards and 18 drones all destroyed at the hands of a single model simply because I rolled poorly on the moral and initiative tests.

Just another case of Tau forgetting they are walking tanks and breaking at the first sign of trouble.

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 thedarkavenger wrote:

So. I got a game with this list in. First game in at least 3-4 months.
 
   
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So why the hell did they simply stand there and let one model slit their throats... which is a interesting feat given the amount of metal he would of had to cut through.

8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures.  
   
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JinxDragon wrote:
So why the hell did they simply stand there and let one model slit their throats... which is a interesting feat given the amount of metal he would of had to cut through.

Because a casualty isn't always a dead model. It could be routed, wounded, knocked out, etc.
The unit is no longer combat effective - that's all that matters.

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Metalica


Would HAVE.
It's weird how this is something English people have started doing wildly in the last 10 years.
I'm half English. I've spent a lot of time in south England. I've played with English people in online games for 20 years... and yet it has only started happening lately, and then all of a sudden it's absolutely rampant.
I actually didn't expect it from an American. It's usually the English.

They stood there because the brutal way he killed the first completely shocked them. They saw things then. Things you wouldn't want to live with.

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 Purifier wrote:
and yet it has only started happening lately

FWIW I've been seeing it for at least the past 25 years.

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Purifier,

The enemy where dark elder, so you do not know how right you are....

Also, you won't like me if grammar mistakes make you shudder. If it wasn't for the ability to edit my posts to remove said mistakes when I find them, well, lets say you would see just how badly I brutalize the only tongue I speak. Given the fact I try and stick with the formal methods of typing, it makes it even more ridiculous that I make so many mistakes.


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Rigeld2,

I do keep that in mind, but the post was funnier with the visual of battle suit clad Tau just standing there waiting their death.

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@Blackgaze: I think you are misunderstanding the difference between the leadership and initiative test. You might want to revisit pages 26-27 of the BRB.

Let's say the situation is:

Two units of Orks vs 1 unit of Chaos marines.
Orks inflict a total of 3 unsaved wounds on the marines. Marines cause a 3 unsaved wounds on Ork unit 1 and 2 unsaved wounds on Ork unit 2 for a total of 5 unsaved wounds.

From this we have 3 scenarios of how it could play out.

Scenario 1
Ork unit 1 takes a leadership test. The target number is their leadership minus the total number of unsaved wounds (5). They roll 2D6. Assume they failed.

Ork unit 2 also takes a leadership test. Again, their leadership minus the total number of unsaved wounds (5) on 2D6. Assume they also failed.

Ork unit 1 now each rolls 1D6 and adds their Initiative.
Ork unit 2 also rolls 1D6 and adds their Initiative.

Chaos rolls 1D6 and adds their Initiative. Each Ork unit that the Chaos units total is equal to or greater than is now swept. Others, if any, successfully run away.

Scenario 2
Ork unit 1 passes their leadership test.
Ork unit 2 fails their leadership test.

In this case, the Chaos unit cannot sweep because they are still locked with Ork unit 1. So Ork unit 2 succesfully breaks away.

Scenario 3
Ork unit 1 passes their leadership test.
Ork unit 2 passes their leadership test.

No sweeping possiblities. Both Ork units stay locked in combat.

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spongemonkee wrote:

Why are you testing on 2d6? sweeping advance tests on 1d6+initiative.

He was rolling two dice for the orks because there were two units of Orks... so each rolls 1D6 and adds it to their Initiative.

 
   
 
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