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**thetallestgiraffe**

'lo to all
I have just bought my first stormraven and was wondering what would be the best weapons to attach to it. I wanted it to be a kind of all rounder, being able to take out both infantry and armour, if possible.
Any advice appreciated,
the tallest girrafe

P.s, I play with both GK and BA but I tend to go with my Angels.

**IHateNids**

The weapons are interchangeable, so don't 'attach' any of them

But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

**Andilus Greatsword**

IHateNids wrote:
The weapons are interchangeable, so don't 'attach' any of them

But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

Yeah that's probably the best loadout, possibly consider switching the Assault Cannon for Plasma Cannons though.

**IHateNids**

I choose that because its anti-everything

MM for armour
Bolters for infantry
Assault Cannons for whatever I happen to be shooting at

**troa**

Yeah. I take Assault Cannon over Plasma simply because I find it more versatile, and rarely do my opponents run quads close enough together to get more than 3 hits. If they do, I have PC devs on ground already.

Meaning, it also depends on your army comp. I have plenty of ways to deal with 2+ saves so those aren't a huge issue.

**Kain**

IHateNids wrote:
The weapons are interchangeable, so don't 'attach' any of them

But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

This setting is also a pretty amazing air superiority fighter (odd considering it's an ungainly flying brick of an armed transport), and the Grey Knights version is even deadlier to other aircraft.

**KonTheory**

I have 2.. I have 1 kitted with Assault cannons and sponsons
I play grey knights tho so I pay for the psybolt ammo and it makes the assault cannon S7 and the sponsons S5

then I kit my other one with Lascannons and no sponsons..
its more anti air and anti tank
the other one is anti everything lol

**AlmightyWalrus**

Kain wrote:
IHateNids wrote:
The weapons are interchangeable, so don't 'attach' any of them

But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

This setting is also a pretty amazing air superiority fighter (odd considering it's an ungainly flying brick of an armed transport), and the Grey Knights version is even deadlier to other aircraft.

The Grey Knight Stormraven doesn't have S8 AP2/1 missiles though.

**Kain**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Kain wrote:
IHateNids wrote:
The weapons are interchangeable, so don't 'attach' any of them

But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

This setting is also a pretty amazing air superiority fighter (odd considering it's an ungainly flying brick of an armed transport), and the Grey Knights version is even deadlier to other aircraft.

The Grey Knight Stormraven doesn't have S8 AP2/1 missiles though.

But it does have better guns and that weird rule that lets it ignore stun and shaken which is always a pain.

**Martel732**

I like the lascannon over the assault cannon. But that's only because its better vs helldrakes.

**TheLionOfTheForest**

For my BA storm raven, MM and AC. I had toyed with the idea of putting the LC on though I tend to preferr it cheap.

**IHateNids**

LC is a free upgrade IIRC

**labmouse42**

IHateNids wrote:
But I think the best loadout is TL Assault Cannon, TL Multi-Melta, & Hurricane Bolter sponsons

I agree with this loadout.

The AC is an extremely good weapon, and is more dangerous to armor than a LC. Its biggest drawback is the range, but on a flyer with premeasuring that's not as big of an issue.

The MM is a great anti-vehicle weapon. Being able to stick this on a flyer gives you a very strong anti-air vehicle. Look at how most flyers are now AV 10-11. This means that the MM will rip them apart.

The hurricane bolters are great to clear out enemy infantry.

The bloodstrike missiles are great extra weapons. STR 8, AP1 weapons. The AP1 means they have a 50% of exploding a flyer they penetrate. Getting a penetrating result on that AV 10/11 flyer is not that hard either.

**BunnyCommando**

Assault Cannons, Hurricane sponsons and Multi Meltas for me, but then mine's a GK one, so the Psybolt Ammo means it becomes an air superiority fighter that can melt a tank if it needs to.

But then the only weapons that are actually glued in are the Assault cannons, everything else is either magged or (in the case of the nose weapons) conveniently 'clips' in place anyway.

I've never run it with the Typhoon launcher, even though I have it painted. Is it any good? I guess the extra S8 shots would help maintain it's aerial superiority, but it's a lot of points in one model then...

**jeffersonian000**

I've been running my GK Stormraven with missile launcher and lascannons, using it for dogfighting and sniping. Been working quite well, oddly enough. The ability to either drop 4 blast markers or place 3 Str 8+ shots on a target is pretty handy, and the 48" range makes it feel like an actual aircraft.

SJ

**First0f0ne**

I run mine with las cannon. As martel said they are better vs heldrakes( or any armor 12) . 2 or 3 games ago I was playing against a 9 vendetta/ valkerie list and this set up blew up a whole squadron of 3 vendettas. Yes I was pretty lucky but the the +1 to damage result is better more low str shots IMO.

I dont run the bolters either as it takes away focus of anti armor from it and allows me to make the bad descion of attack troops which the rest of mine army can do just fine on its own.

If I were playing GKs I would for sure go with bolters and ass cannon with psy bolt for the +1 str shooting.

**Kain**

jeffersonian000 wrote:
I've been running my GK Stormraven with missile launcher and lascannons, using it for dogfighting and sniping. Been working quite well, oddly enough. The ability to either drop 4 blast markers or place 3 Str 8+ shots on a target is pretty handy, and the 48" range makes it feel like an actual aircraft.

SJ

And also that psyker killer missile. "Did the shockwave even brush you? Perils for you, no saving throw." Which is hilariously mean to armies that have a lot of one wound psykers like the Eldar.

**Martel732**

I actually find the AC to be a meh weapon. And it is less dangerous to helldrakes than a LC. Against helldrakes, you really want the +1 damage result, as trying to strip hullpoints from them is going to get your list barbequed.

I honestly have tossed the assault cannon out of all my lists. My razors use either TL HF or las/plas, and my shooty terminators pack heavy flamers. Ignoring cover is $$ in 6th edition, and the assault cannon just isn't killy enough for me. Plus, the 24" range can have some really annoying consequences. (Like against DE)

I feel that this discussion is kind of like angels dancing on the head of a pin. At the Stormraven's price point, there simply is no weapons load out that remotely makes it worth the price. The Stormraven has no way to ignore cover and therefore, no way to engage blobs that have gone to ground effectively. It just needs to be way more durable/deadly for its price point. If the helldrake didn't exist, I would never use these things.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Kain wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
I've been running my GK Stormraven with missile launcher and lascannons, using it for dogfighting and sniping. Been working quite well, oddly enough. The ability to either drop 4 blast markers or place 3 Str 8+ shots on a target is pretty handy, and the 48" range makes it feel like an actual aircraft.

SJ

And also that psyker killer missile. "Did the shockwave even brush you? Perils for you, no saving throw." Which is hilariously mean to armies that have a lot of one wound psykers like the Eldar.

It's also hilarious against stuff like the Swarmlord or Greater Daemons with Iron Arm. Toughness 9 won't save you! *evil laugh*

**Kain**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Kain wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
I've been running my GK Stormraven with missile launcher and lascannons, using it for dogfighting and sniping. Been working quite well, oddly enough. The ability to either drop 4 blast markers or place 3 Str 8+ shots on a target is pretty handy, and the 48" range makes it feel like an actual aircraft.

SJ

And also that psyker killer missile. "Did the shockwave even brush you? Perils for you, no saving throw." Which is hilariously mean to armies that have a lot of one wound psykers like the Eldar.

It's also hilarious against stuff like the Swarmlord or Greater Daemons with Iron Arm. Toughness 9 won't save you! *evil laugh*

And monotzeentch armies as a whole, enjoy wiping entire horror blobs off the face of the map in one shot.

**Super Ready**

Best armament in my eyes is multimelta, assault cannons, hurricane bolters and missiles. It's got enough punch to take on other flyers and once those are downed, it can take its pick of ground armour or infantry targets. It's a threat to everything except cover saves.

Problems it can come up against are too many flyers to keep up with (like flying croissants or triple Heldrakes), or a touch-and-go duel against the new Crimson Hunters. That one comes down to "who gets to fire first?".

Martel732 wrote:
I actually find the AC to be a meh weapon. And it is less dangerous to helldrakes than a LC. Against helldrakes, you really want the +1 damage result, as trying to strip hullpoints from them is going to get your list barbequed.

Provided you can get yourself lined up properly, the twin-linked multimelta and two missiles (which all get +2 for being AP1) should be enough to knock the Heldrake out of the sky. Or at least rob it of its weaponry. Of course, if you can't line up right then the lascannon won't help either...

**Martel732**

But the missiles only pen the helldrake on a 5+. They don't really help that much in my experience. Ask the Tau how not scary ST8 AP1 is. The AP1 part is hampered by the ST 8 part. After rolling to hit, the missiles have a scary small chance of downing a helldrake.

I'd have to redo the math, but even with a lascannon, MM, and two blood strike missiles, I think the stormraven has less than a 50% chance of killing a helldrake in one shot. And the helldrake costs less. Insane.

**AlmightyWalrus**

It has a less than 50% chance of outright killing the Heldrake by damage results, but Weapon Destroyed is almost as good.

I don't get what the Heldrake's cost has to do with the Stormraven killing it though, if the Heldrake ran with a Hades Autocannon it'd take forever for it to kill a Stormraven, so that's not the reason why the Heldrake's cost is unfair.

**Martel732**

I'm just pointing out the inefficiency of the Stormraven. Now consider the case where there are three helldrakes and only one Stormraven. Despite all the reviews and internet crowing about what a good flier the Stormraven allegedly is, its not nearly good enough to run triple Stormravens I think.

**Kain**

Martel732 wrote:
I'm just pointing out the inefficiency of the Stormraven. Now consider the case where there are three helldrakes and only one Stormraven. Despite all the reviews and internet crowing about what a good flier the Stormraven allegedly is, its not nearly good enough to run triple Stormravens I think.

As someone who'd like to start a Grey Knights army, allow me to ask, what else am I going to put in my FA slot? Interceptors?

**Martel732**

Oh they're FA for them? By all means, carry on. I had assumed they were heavy like for the BA. Even still, that's a lot of points. I see a lot of GK lists with necron support to alleviate this.

**Kain**

Martel732 wrote:
Oh they're FA for them? By all means, carry on. I had assumed they were heavy like for the BA. Even still, that's a lot of points. I see a lot of GK lists with necron support to alleviate this.

Allow me to show you the entirety of the GK's Fast Attack slot.

1d4chan Tactica wrote:Stormraven Gunship - Flying Land Raider, covered in guns, good for transport and blowing gak up. Use them to drop Interceptors and Dreadnoughts into your opponent's midst. Also, it can take a teleport homer, which allows you to zip around and safely deploy reserves in addition to its transport capabilities. Finally, unless you're bringing lots of Jokaero, this is your only method of getting effective anti-armor into your list due you not getting the regular heavy weapons for your squads and you don't get to field predators. Seriously consider taking as many of these as you can afford to. However, instead of the badass Bloodstrike Missiles you get Mindstrike Missiles, so your only tank-killing goodness comes from Multi-Meltas and Typhoon Missile Launchers. Alternatively, you can fit it with Psybolt Ammunition for an extra 20 points and turn the twin-linked Assault Cannon into a S7 AP4 with Rending that can at least glance (if not penetrate) Landraiders and Monoliths on one out of 6 hits. And with the flyer rules (shooting four weapons at full BS, not counting the one extra from Power of the Machine Spirit), the hurricane bolters (at S5 due to the Psybolt ammunition) become a great way to

Grey Knight Interceptor Squad - Your only other Fast Attack choice, these are just PAGKs with teleporter packs that make them look like something from a cheesy '50s sci-fi movie. Ask the enemy to take them to their leader.

Yep, that's it. Easily one of the most bare bones slots in the entire game.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Martel732 wrote:
I'm just pointing out the inefficiency of the Stormraven. Now consider the case where there are three helldrakes and only one Stormraven. Despite all the reviews and internet crowing about what a good flier the Stormraven allegedly is, its not nearly good enough to run triple Stormravens I think.

The Stormraven is hardly inefficient, it's the Heldrake that's through the roof. I wouldn't say the Stormraven is the best thing ever, but it's completely playable.

**First0f0ne**

Gk ravens are a different animal. The missles are not intended for anti armor like the BA one. And psybolts works on the h. Bolters and the ass cannon iirc. Making 6 str 5 tl shots and 4 str7 tl shots. Thats pretty damn ggood imo. The whole anti armor MM + LC no extras thing is a BA only recomendation.

**Martel732**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
I'm just pointing out the inefficiency of the Stormraven. Now consider the case where there are three helldrakes and only one Stormraven. Despite all the reviews and internet crowing about what a good flier the Stormraven allegedly is, its not nearly good enough to run triple Stormravens I think.

The Stormraven is hardly inefficient, it's the Heldrake that's through the roof. I wouldn't say the Stormraven is the best thing ever, but it's completely playable.

I understand the temptation to make this assertion, but in practice, it doesn't work out. In an environment where the only fliers are a) Night scythes b) Helldrakes c) Vendettas and d) Stormravens and maybe a few e) Dakkajets, the Stormraven becomes very inefficient. Everyone talks about how the Tau are a great counter to helldrakes, well guess what else they're a great counter to? Everything that kills helldrakes kills Stormravens 33% faster from lack of daemon save. And the Stormraven costs MORE? And takes a heavy support slot for BA?

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First0f0ne wrote:
Gk ravens are a different animal. The missles are not intended for anti armor like the BA one. And psybolts works on the h. Bolters and the ass cannon iirc. Making 6 str 5 tl shots and 4 str7 tl shots. Thats pretty damn ggood imo. The whole anti armor MM + LC no extras thing is a BA only recomendation.

Someone forgot to tell the BA that ST 8 ROF 1 is horrible anti-tank.