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For the record I'm not a win at all cost player but I still like to have a semi decent list. I have the idea of putting a 10 man storm trooper squad (not sure of special weapons yet) in a Valkyrie and have it do strafing runs until the storm troopers are needed to support a flank or to eradicate a new threat. I know they can have a re roll able deep strike but I love the idea of them being dropped in, kill the target and fly out to have the grunts mop up and hold the newly cleared objective. My question is, is this feasible in anyway or am I just wasting lots of points? Btw I'm using a Valkyrie as I don't like the Vendetta, it's too good and I just don't like the idea of it.

Why not veterans, and deep strike the stormies (if you wish. To do so) on their own, instead of having to make a run to drop them off with the vendetta?

"Btw I'm using a Valkyrie as I don't like the Vendetta, it's too good and I just don't like the idea of it."


Please come play at my store.

You're wasting points because you're not taking a Vendetta instead. But since your goal is to make your list weaker wasting points is a good thing, and you are succeeding.

 Peregrine wrote:
You're wasting points because you're not taking a Vendetta instead. But since your goal is to make your list weaker wasting points is a good thing, and you are succeeding.

Worded like that it sounds really bad but I guess that is technically what i'm doing. Not comparing it to the Vendetta , Is the Valkyrie any good at all?


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Nobody_Holme wrote:
Why not veterans, and deep strike the stormies (if you wish. To do so) on their own, instead of having to make a run to drop them off with the vendetta?

Storm troopers because a) they are basically Imperial guard s.a.s so they're awesome b)they have hot shot lasguns which, combined with the Valkyrie and any special weapons the squad will have (probably plasma) should either kill or damage a unit enough for the grunts to take over. c)a Valkyrie so that once they've done their job (or not depending on how the situation warrents) they can hop back in and redeploy instead of dropping down and being a one hit wonder.

 watchamacarcess wrote:
Not comparing it to the Vendetta , Is the Valkyrie any good at all?

It's impossible to say whether a unit is good in isolation, units are only good or bad in relation to other units. But even if you pretend the Vendetta doesn't exist the Valkyrie is still a mediocre unit. It has no meaningful AA ability (one of the major reasons to take flyers) and the rocket pods are just anti-infantry blasts in an army that has plenty of anti-infantry shooting already. All you're really getting is a flying transport for a unit that can already deep strike.

But, since your goal is to make your list weaker the fact that the Valkyrie is a mediocre unit is a good thing. So I guess that makes it a good unit after all.

Storm troopers because a) they are basically Imperial guard s.a.s so they're awesome b)they have hot shot lasguns which, combined with the Valkyrie and any special weapons the squad will have (probably plasma) should either kill or damage a unit enough for the grunts to take over. c)a Valkyrie so that once they've done their job (or not depending on how the situation warrents) they can hop back in and redeploy instead of dropping down and being a one hit wonder.

The problem is you're paying more than vets for a unit with a similar role that doesn't score. Storm troopers that aren't being used as deep striking melta (in 5-man squads) are not cost-effective compared to other non-scoring units.

Also, coming back for the troops is one of those things that only works in theory. Minimum flyer movement means that you either hover for multiple turns and lose your Valkyrie or have to spend a lot of extra turns flying around to get back into position to pick up the squad (and still have to hover for at least one turn). If 40k was a 10+ turn game it might make sense, but in real games Valkyries are a one-way trip.

 Peregrine wrote:
You're wasting points because you're not taking a Vendetta instead. But since your goal is to make your list weaker wasting points is a good thing, and you are succeeding.

I loled.

I don't understand why people are so against WAAC that they refuse to take good options. Those aren't even opposite stances, WAAC is that you're willing to ruin friendships and playing Warhammer is I want to win games. Though not mutually exclusive, they're not the same thing either.

If you want a flyer and don't want a Vendetta then you just have to plan to optimise the Valkyrie with the knowledge that the general consensus is that it's a suboptimal choice. Like Peregrine said, the Valkyrie is AI and IG is pretty good at that so the role is probably redundant. My advice would be to make sure that whatever comes out of that plane is going to mess things up because it's a pretty big investment for something which will serve best as a distraction.

Just for the record, the Vendetta is fine for a lot of things, but my experience with my air-Guard list indicates to me that the Valkyrie is viable all on its own if you're dealing with any non-minimized number of infantry because of the sheer number of dice you can throw down the table between the heavy bolters and the rocket pods. Then again, I did build a list around using them as my primary anti-infantry (with Vendettas and a Punisher Vulture for anti-vehicle), so...

Valks are okay but running a 10 man storm trooper unit in it is a waste of points. If you want carapace elite troops get grenadier vets in the valk and know you are wasting less points and getting scoring.

One of the best ways I have seen the Valkyrie utilized is really only when takine in mass numbers. Thanks to the Elysian "Combat Drop" rule in IA3: 2nd Edition you can have multiple valkyries appear on the first turn. 6 large blast templates shot into an Aegis Defence Line blob of fire warriors works really well.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
because of the sheer number of dice you can throw down the table between the heavy bolters and the rocket pods.

But you really don't have all that much. Against spread-out infantry the rocket pods aren't getting all that many hits, and they're just frag missiles so most of your hits won't turn into wounds. Obviously it's better than the useless hellstrike missiles, but the clear better plan is to take Vendettas and find another unit* to kill infantry. The only reason to take the Valkyrie for the anti-infantry role is if you want to weaken your list by removing Vendettas.

*For example, a pair of Griffons is almost the same cost, and will do significantly more damage to infantry of all types.


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 gmaleron wrote:
One of the best ways I have seen the Valkyrie utilized is really only when takine in mass numbers. Thanks to the Elysian "Combat Drop" rule in IA3: 2nd Edition you can have multiple valkyries appear on the first turn. 6 large blast templates shot into an Aegis Defence Line blob of fire warriors works really well.

Well, Elysian Valkyries are obviously very different because of Combat Drop and being dedicated transports instead of competing with the Vendetta. But the OP doesn't seem to be talking about Elysian Valkyries.

+1 for the elysian valks. Even taking storm troopers in one is pretty good in that list though as they combat drop rather than come in on turn 2.

 ansacs wrote:
+1 for the elysian valks. Even taking storm troopers in one is pretty good in that list though as they combat drop rather than come in on turn 2.

never thought of that (always thinking veterans first) but bringing a Valkyrie in turn 1 in hover and jump out a load of AP3 rapid fire guys...I like it!

Yeah its not bad. Vets are also my first stringers but I have been experimenting with combat dropping storm troopers and using the new doctrine against gunlines (read Tau) to get into CC with them instead of exchanging fire. Additionally if you decide to combat drop the vets you can outflank the storm trooper valk using their infiltrate doctrine as it is a dedicated transport. I have been liking them so far but I have 5 valks and don't have drop sentinels so that could be a factor