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Hi

Im having the pain staking job of having to draw up a list for my girlfriends son to face off my small 1000pt krieg force so its 'fun' to play as he's still new to the game (i've had around 6 games also)

We already possess the DV box set but ive ordered a couple of boxes of terminators and will order a belial variant online shortly as im thinking TH+SS is a good build.

I am running a combination of infantry, grenadiers and engineers + chimera, hades breaching drill and either thunderer or lightning/avenger. plenty of AP2 weapons split about but as he likes termies i wanted to construct a reasonable build for playing a 4 x 4 city board (the FW one btw) so buildings galore.

I've come up with many variants of lists but so far its

Belial TH+SS

5 x DW with TH+SS

5 X DW + CML

5 X DW + PC

I'm stuck with points left over and not knowing how to spend them - do i invest in a predator? upgrade all? try to squeeze a dreadnought in? Can i do scout bikers with homing beacon?

thoughts please

Hi,

how about using a DW command squad for the Banner of Fortitude?

Regards
am

i'll look into it Am, i may run 2 larger squads to squeeze a dreadnought into the list for some variety as its about the fun more than competitiveness and the chaplain dreadought i have can proxy in nicely as a standard/venerable/chaplain dread.

A dreadnought is a great idea as you lack some anti -armor. Or if you have the points, a Predator with tw las and two las on the sides is a monster to other vehicles and everything else.


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You probably want to deep strike with Belial and a squad of his. That squad won't scatter due to his rules, so they can go anywhere. That squad is great if you put in an assault cannon as it is tl the turn it comes down and can split fire and take down a lightly armored vehicle. The CM is great for foot slogging as you can move and shoot. I hope I helped.

i think a TLLC armed venerable dread may be on the books or even on a chaplain dread variant. I wont be running any fliers on starter games with him so i'll have one AV14 thunderer and a couple of pieces of light armour so he should be able to pop them easy enough.

i'll draw up a few lists later when i finish work and see where it goes. I've ordered a couple of squads of Deathwing command squads so i have plenty of choice to build up squads and then order any bits once i've gone firm on my choices. My board is being painted so probably wont be ready for a month so i have plenty of time to play around with a solid but fun list.

I've done something similar.

Belial
Command Squad
-Champion
-Heavy Flamer
-TT/SS
-Deathwing Banner

Termie Squad
-3x TH/SS
-CML

Termie Squad
-3x TH/SS
-CML

Belial and his squad do some accurate DSing to make use of the flamer, then prepare to be assaulted, or assault.

The other two squads sit back and fire with the CMLs, supporting Belial's squad as needed. It's usually a tough fight since you only have 16 models.

i suspect this may get cut and pasted as my list

i do really want to get a dread in the list at 1000pts but then thats what point escalation is all about. i suspect my DKOK will get a smashing with this list so that suggests to me that this is the list. cheers pup!

You might consider a Terminator Librarian, too. I run those quite a bit and Prescience is awesome the turns after they drop.

If you're doing escalation then dreads wouldn't be a bad choice to add next. How did you plan on arming it?

UnadoptedPuppy wrote:
I've done something similar.

Belial
Command Squad
-Champion
-Heavy Flamer
-TT/SS
-Deathwing Banner

Termie Squad
-3x TH/SS
-CML

Termie Squad
-3x TH/SS
-CML

Belial and his squad do some accurate DSing to make use of the flamer, then prepare to be assaulted, or assault.

The other two squads sit back and fire with the CMLs, supporting Belial's squad as needed. It's usually a tough fight since you only have 16 models.

I like the idea of this but I feel it doesn't have enough aggressiveness in it. If Belial and his squad is lost, you've lost all forward progress and then you will have to foot slog it while the TH/SS don't have ranged weapons. I haven't ever used this list some I can't judge too much. It looks solid but losing Belial could easily end the game.

You can't be too aggressive with your initial deep strike unless their survival looks certain. The CMLs have to choose targets to increase the command squads survivability. Basically placement with your deep strike is crucial. Luck always helps with these guys at 1k points too.

your GF's kid? how old? Just go with a tank or dreadnought. Its not about how effective the army is. Its about how cool the models look

he's 12, im thinking a TLLC on the dread to stand a chance of popping my thunderer. I get most big stuff painted by commission so it all predominantly looks awesome. he does need TH/SS eventually as when the PDF update for the DKOK artillery regiments gets released hes got 3 x medusa seige guns against him!