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So I want to buy the forgeworld eldar avatar, I know its bigger than the GW one and so on a large base and taller.

Am i allowed to use it in a normal 40k game in a GW shop?

It's up to the GW shop, but I'm guessing it is. Just run it as a regular Avatar, who's stats are pretty beefy this edition.

Technically, if you're using it as a normal Avatar, it's illegal, since the FW Avatar has a larger base than the standard Avatar and every model must be mounted upon the base that it comes with.

However, in most friendly games, you should be alright. I'd certainly allow it. It's really up to the guys in your group.

I honestly can't see a reason why it wouldn't be allowed, it's not like the FW Avatar has it's own ruleset.

I would hope it would be allowed. I wouldn't have a problem with it. I think the FW model represents the Avatar much better than the GW one. Hopefully they will redo it in a second wave release, but I am not holding my breath.

Take a normal sized base and stick the FW Avatar on it. If you need to add some weight to keep it from being top heavy, glue some metal washers to the bottom. Ive found that hot glue works the best.

Doesn't the forge world one come on a 60mm base? wouldn't that be the one that it comes on?

it should be legal period as long as you are playing a forge world friendly game or tourney.

 The Shadow wrote:
Technically, if you're using it as a normal Avatar, it's illegal, since the FW Avatar has a larger base than the standard Avatar and every model must be mounted upon the base that it comes with.

I don't believe this is correct, Forgeworld's model is just as much a legal GW model as anything else (when it comes it says ©Games Workshop on the mould gate, it's still an official GW produced model). The standard Avatar is larger than the Rogue Trader era one before it. There has never been a rule that a model must be on a certain base, aside from that is should be mounted on whatever it came with, thus, under that line of thinking, it'd actually be illegal to mount the FW model on the standard Avatar base.

Not the first time there's been multiple sizes or base sizes for a model. Chaos Terminators came with two different base sizes for years, even the metal singles available until fairly recently even though the plastics had the 40mm bases.

 Desubot wrote:
Doesn't the forge world one come on a 60mm base? wouldn't that be the one that it comes on?

it should be legal period as long as you are playing a forge world friendly game or tourney.

"Forge World Friendly" usually refers to FW units that have their own rules, not ones which are the same as standard GW units, like if you used a squad of 30K Marines instead of the standard Tac Marines.

 The Shadow wrote:
Technically, if you're using it as a normal Avatar, it's illegal, since the FW Avatar has a larger base than the standard Avatar and every model must be mounted upon the base that it comes with.

However, in most friendly games, you should be alright. I'd certainly allow it. It's really up to the guys in your group.

Thats actually precisely why it would be legal. There are 2 models for the avatar(3 if you count to older GW sculpt) and all come on different sized bases. The FW Avatar doesn't have its own rules.

All would be legal in 40k as they are on the base supplied.


The Forge World Avatar is simply an alternate sculpt that doesn't look as derpy. It can be used in normal games of 40k with no restrictions.

 Valkyrie wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Doesn't the forge world one come on a 60mm base? wouldn't that be the one that it comes on?

it should be legal period as long as you are playing a forge world friendly game or tourney.

"Forge World Friendly" usually refers to FW units that have their own rules, not ones which are the same as standard GW units, like if you used a squad of 30K Marines instead of the standard Tac Marines.

I was referring to the fact that it is a Forge world model which is a subsidiary of GW there for a Legal model as an alternative sculpt as above stated. the only case where i can think it is not allowed is in the case of a game where there is straight up no forge world allowed.

And then, No Forge World allowed will 99% of the time mean no Forge World rules.

Anybody that bans FW models themselves, including the simple conversion kits, is not someone you should play with.

Nice, Normally i know forgeworld would be a forgeworld only tournament but since this avatar guy said use the codex: eldar so I thought it probably is allowed

Yeah I think it looks more realistic because, why would a eldar (semi) god be so small, (however those necron c'tan are pretty small lol)

You should the original Avatar. He's roughly the same size as a terminator.

If they complain about the FW one, go find a Rogue Trader one on ebay. It is about the size of a SM. If they want to be rule natzis they can try to find something wrong with the RT avatar, but wont be able to. It came on a 25mm base, is GW produced material intended for 40k 1st edition. I have one sitting in my collection just to be funny.

 Grey Templar wrote:
You should the original Avatar. He's roughly the same size as a terminator.

I dont feel using the forge world one would give me any advantage, his got large line of sight, his got bigger base but its not like his got a per model in base contact rule that can kill everyone lol, his only got 5 attacks and i think you can already fit 6 40mm base around a 40mm base so I would get more attacks off that i already have.

I'd let you use it as a standard Avatar, but I'm not everyone. Amazing, I know.

It doesn't have any separate rules, it just looks prettier. So why not?

I'd let you use it - hell it's actually a disadvantage to use it since it's easier to draw LOS to it. Still, the model is so much cooler that I'd use a FW Avatar too.

Yeah, anyone who gives you gak about fielding a model that is LARGER and has a larger base is dumb. AFAIK there is only one model which specifies that you cannot mount it on a larger base, and that is Canis, due to his 'hit everything in B2B' power. Strangely enough, the two other models I can think of this which have the ability as well lack the 'no larger base' clause. Woo putting gabriel seth on a large oval base!!!

Technicly the larger base could be used for better tar pit or blocking off objectives.

Makumba wrote:
Technicly the larger base could be used for better tar pit or blocking off objectives.

Removing the model from it's base and putting it onto a GW Avatar's base should be a fairly simple operation. There, problem solved.

I don't think it is a problem , it is a McHuge anyone who has problem with a bigger avatar probably plays an assault army or something , and then a bit bigger 1 model is the least of his problems in 6th ed.

 StarHunter25 wrote:
Yeah, anyone who gives you gak about fielding a model that is LARGER and has a larger base is dumb. AFAIK there is only one model which specifies that you cannot mount it on a larger base, and that is Canis, due to his 'hit everything in B2B' power. Strangely enough, the two other models I can think of this which have the ability as well lack the 'no larger base' clause. Woo putting gabriel seth on a large oval base!!!

Nah that'd be MFA as well because he comes with a 28mm base. The FW Avatar comes with a 60mm, therefore 60mm is the legal size for it (although you could probably get away with 40mm because the precedent's there, like how you could mount 28mm 3rd ed Terminators on 40mm bases).

Makumba wrote:
I don't think it is a problem , it is a McHuge anyone who has problem with a bigger avatar probably plays an assault army or something , and then a bit bigger 1 model is the least of his problems in 6th ed.

I'll have to agree with this, the Avatar is an absolutely nasty model in assault, but if he can't get within at least melta range all he's doing is looking pretty. And being taller just means you can wheel around more lascannons to blast his burning ass back to the craftworld.

Was his base in your deployment zone in it's entirety when you deployed?

Yes? Okay, the change won't help you unless its to shrink it down, which this isn't, so it can't be MFA. Edited out for Rule #1. MT11

Kinda like people who care about heavy weapons teams that're still based separatly, 'long as you don't try to fire the loader's flashlight and the big gun, or use it for coherency, rock on.

I use the Forgeworld Great Unclean One and never has anyone had a problem with it.

Mostly they just say how awesome it looks.

If I'm going to a tournament I will ask, most of the time they say its fine.

Sometimes they say its fine, but I might have to make some small allowances for things like Charge distances and LoS blocking.


EDIT: Most of the time a larger base is a disadvantage. It will be easier for your opponents to multi assault you, and harder for you to multi assault them.

 zephoid wrote:
If they complain about the FW one, go find a Rogue Trader one on ebay. It is about the size of a SM. If they want to be rule natzis they can try to find something wrong with the RT avatar, but wont be able to. It came on a 25mm base, is GW produced material intended for 40k 1st edition. I have one sitting in my collection just to be funny.

I used my RT avatar in an Apoc game once. It WAS pretty funny.

Isn't the rulethat you must use the base size supplied or bigger if you wish (for the purposes of scenic bases)? Or did tjat get lost in the switch to 6th Ed too? Along with common sense, generic marine poster boys and encouraging creativity?

My friend does this with the Great Unclean One, he uses the FW model with the standard codex rules. Never heard a peep from anyone about it, unless it is about how good it looks.