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I think you could actually make a good fanfiction with any of the starcraft races in 40k. Lets say for excample you take zerg just start them out on some backwater world and they will most likely be a huge threat to the universe before you know it because it ussually takes a millenium or 2 before anybody notices anythings gone wrong (at least they make it seem that way in the books). If you take the terrans just make sure they bring couple of thousand resoc tanks, and they will be churning out trained troops real quick from local popualation centers. As for size descrepencys of capital ships everyone who has played starcraft 1 know size isnt everything (just think back to those crazy flying suicide units). And the terran commanders would be smart enough probally to make robotic versions of them probally very similar to their vulture spider mines. Also I think The terrans have better tech in general. With tiomk being so supersticious and everything their tech is very low for sc2 standerds in most departments.

I'm also pretty sure in some of the sc fluff the resoc tanks can be used to train troops as well as make people you want to do whatever you say do do it. If i remeber correctly from one of the books i've read the resoc tanks train both your mind and muscle memory at a rapid pace while you bascily sleep. So when you come out of it you are effectivly trained as good as if you trained your entire life in whatever they set the program for. It just tends to have the bad side effect that if you use the resock tanks to make people into your mindless army drones they may be highly trained but they end up having very little inmagination and intiative witch is how the confedarates and dominion liked it. But it make for poor troops because they tend to be very literal when given orders. Also bigger does not equal better nessacarily. Yes the imperials will most likely out match them in fire power but because they are so big and they also have worse sensors i will bet the terrans could most likely keep there capital ships out of harms way and send in their banshees and whatever thier original cloaked fighter ship is called in to cripple the huge capital ships then they can come in and yahmoto blast the crap out of them. And because they are so huge they would not be able to manuver out of the way. Also terran science vessals can use emp blast as weapons to cipple ships also. Also 40k psykers and sc pychics draw their powers from differnt places, terran psychic are your classic psychics who friggin use thier brains to cook yours, while 40k psychers draw thier powers from the immatreium or warp as they call it. so i doubt the terrans would have to much problems with chaos.

Why would a lasgun be more powerful then an impaler rifle of a marine in sc universe? the impaler rifle is is desined to kill light to medium armor in sc universe with relative ease. it friggin shoots 6-8 mm spikes at extremly high velocity at 3 seperate settings single shots for sniping, semi- auto to conserve bullets and full auto when you need that succer dead fast. Its also can be held 2-handded by a non power armored terran or 1-handed by a marine in armor. and its their standard issue military weapon. I'm just sayin obviusly if you take 40k as is and duke them out against sc as is 40k wins, but if you give any faction in sc any reasonable amount of time to build up forces in 40k universe they will have more than a fighting chance.

 Grey Templar wrote:
See the "How strong is a lasgun" thread. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/539592.page#5849436

We worked out a minimum of 4.4 gigawatts for a single shot(based on minimum energy to destroy 1/4 of the human body)

Just because something needs that much energy to destroy 1/4 of the human body does not make it a stronger weapon it makes it a very innefecient weapon that should probally be replaced and the imperium would save a lot of money, to build more killy things. 1 shot from an impaler rifle can pretty much burst a human head as if it was a rotten tommato. Power consumption does not always equate to how powerful a weapon is. 40k is all about huge over kill infefecient weapons. Sc universe is filled with a bunch of money grubbin rather save money and have something get killed just as good peeps. except arcturas mengst but at least in sc 2 he actually has generals that know what they are doing instead of of that ass edmund duke.

A catagory 5 hurricane can launch a piece of straw thru a tree trunk and thats wind speeds of roughly 157mph, the c-14 impaler gauss rifle fires at super sonic (actually i reread the fluff it says hyper sonic not super sonic with hyer sonic being 5 time faster than super sonic) speeds. which means greater than the spead of sound . Since the speed of sound is roughly 750 mph in a dry atmoshere the basic infantry rifle of sc marines should actually shred just about anything. I think the desine team under estimated what an 8 milimeter steel spike can do at that speed since this is how they desribe the weapons basic ability. The C-14 Impaler gauss rifle is a terran standard issue marine weapon of the Confederate and Dominion Marine Corps. It is very common in the Koprulu Sector.[1]
n use by 2478,[2] the C-14 fires hypersonic 8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes"[3][1] which can penetrate up to two inches of steel plating.[4]
The Impaler is fully automatic with a fire rate of 30 rounds per second,[5] although fully automatic fire is discouraged under most circumstances. A capacitor system is used to fire the weapon in short bursts, conserving ammunition and minimizing power requirements.[1] Due to this, the C-14 rifle has high recoil; CMC armor is designed to suppress this.[2] The armor can also supplement the rifle's power supply.[5]

The C-14 has been used as automatic base defense weapon, mounted on a tower.[6]

The C-14 should not be confused with the AGR-14 rifle. Both are referred to as "assault rifles"[5] but the latter may be a scaled down version of the former.[7]
actually it says hypersonic not supersonic so that means it's 5 times the speed of sound, hy·per·son·ic

/ˌhīpərˈsänik/





Adjective




1.Relating to speeds of more than five times the speed of sound (Mach 5).
2.Relating to sound frequencies above about a thousand million hertz.








Synonyms




supersonic - ultrasonic

yah that should not be an infantry weapon.

I'm sorry to tell you most "every single real gun today" do not have a muzzle velocity of over 3750mph

Sorry about that i forgot to edit it a little after i had reread the fluff on the weapon it actually states it at hyper sonic speeds which is mach 5 or 5 times the speed of sound. I re-edited the post.

You actually can test a marines rifle out in real life because it gives you real world stats. It says in the marine rifles stats that the ammo is a 8 mm long steel spike for their normal ammo, it also says it is fired at hypersonic speed. Hypersonic meaning 5 times spead of sound which ends up being roughly 3750 mph. Now we just need the myth busters to figure out what kind of damage this will do. Me personly I like to think just because of the speeds this spike is travaling at if you shot at some ones head it would be a bloody mist and the tank behind the person will have a whole in it and posibly the concrete wall behind the tank. I also think the Sc stats under estimate what kind of damage it can do by what they tell you the muzzle velcity and type of ammo it uses.

Well luckily for the dominion there marines are actually their basic throw away troops so to speak. The marines to the dominion are what the imperial guard are to the imperium. And in numbers in fluff the marines in sc heavily out number marines in 40k. So i think Sc marine win in a fight against 40k marines.

Well technicly the very fluff of the c-14 rifle is weird. It describes its penatrating power only being able to go thru 2 inchs of steel in the same sentence as it fireing at hypersonic speeds. To anolog with a current day real life weapon the only one we have at that speed is the railgun you know the weapon so massive its only platform is a battle cruiser. Also if it were to fire its depleted uranium rounds at that speed it would be the equivelent force of a hiroshima size bomb for every shot. Yah I think they need to readjust their shooting speeds alittle.

we were not actually debating the rounds of fire per sec but at what velocity the rounds leave the barrell at. So if you were to compare a bb gun that can shoot at 20 rps and an actual hand gun that fires lets say 9 rps i'm putting my bet on the hand gun over the bb gun on winning a shoot out. I think the only comparrison that the c-14 impaler gauss rifle can be made to in 40k power wise is probally the new broadside railguns. Because at the speads we are talking about shot at once the depleted uranium rounds hit anything the molecueles will be split causing a nuclear explosion.

 PhrycePhyre wrote:

 Redcruisair wrote:
I don't think the writers at GW know anything at all about guns, or how they sound when fired. They properly thought to themself "how do we make this gun sound cool? Ooh I know! Let’s make it sound like it was spewing out thunder. These are after all weapons used by demi-gods." Again I’m waiting for written confirmation of the bolter firing as fast as you claim, guesswork won't be enough.

Except this argument works against blizzard as well, because we are talking about, if we go by everything, 30 hypersonic projectiles per second that penetrate 2 inches of steel plating.

Another thing, if you took a rocket launcher firing sound and extended the first portion(as if it was semi- to fully automatic), then it could feasibly be called a roar. I can't put forward actual canonical firespeeds because I have none, I cannot find any of the gun's specifications anywhere, maybe I didn't read the rulebook hard enough, I don't know. I just run off the descriptions of the effects and the in-game values.

I think i did say that the people who made the sc fluff for the weopons didnt know what they are talking about because either the weapon has the penetration power to go thru 2 inches of steel (which by the way the gattling gun from the american civil war can do that also) or it fires the bullet at hypersonic speeds and from the only things i could find to compare it to in real life is the rail gun or as its also called death by speed. If it fire projectiles ate the same speed as a rail gun it would have to have an extermely powerful electromagnet as a propulsion device, which if you think about it its over 500 years in the future its possible. The thing is though as i read up on rail guns though is at the speeds of the ammo gets shot at the molecules in it start to become extremely unstable and start to rip them selves apart so by the time they hit the target they explode. So if the most common replacement ammo the marines use is depleted uranium that would not pierce a target it would cause small nuclear explosin. Also the ammo they use are solid spikes and real life railguns use solid projectiles also.

I never said it wasnt stupid. And sorry if i got confused about the exploding, and I was not quoting a fictious source i was actually quoting the U.s. navys explanation on how the railgun system works. I might have gotten confused about the nuclear explosin part though so sorry. It was kinda of diffacult reading thru alot of the science terms. I figured when it said the progectiles molecules started to break down causing explosion at that speeds, I thought it meant at an atomic lv. Obviously it did not. Because i do know atomic weapons work by splitting the atoms of an unstable element like uranium.