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whembly wrote: Anyone has a synopsis of the Redskin's offence? Is he an up and comer? I hadn't paid attention to the 'skins this year...
Third in total yards, second in pass yardage, twelfth in points, twenty-first in rushing yards. They had an awesome passing game but had trouble scoring touchdowns in the red zone. The running game was nothing to write home about but they occasionally had good games, just ask Helgrenze what they did to the Eagles on the ground.
And yeah, he's an up and comer... the dude is only 30 years old.
Cool beans.
Rams are in need of serious leadership... they have skillz, but man the game planning sucked ass.
Man I hope KC can take down Pittsburgh on Sunday. I'm not confident though, as the Steelers really destroyed them in week 4, and the Chiefs' record of playoff games after a bye week is 0-3 (since the current playoff system was started). I still have to say, GO CHIEFS!!!
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Thing is, Spanos tried for years and years to work out something with the city for a new stadium, and they shot him down everytime. Don't get me wrong...I don't feel bad for some multi-millionaire. But if the guy wants to be competitive financially and on the field (and the two are related even with the salary cap), he needs a newer stadium than the dinosaur they have in SD. Clearly he would have preferred to stay there, but they did force his hand.
So Spanos doesn't get his own stadium or his preferred location, SD loses its team, the NFL loses a market, and LA gains a second team that it almost certainly doesn't need. It's not a win for anyone other than maybe the Rams for getting a co-tenant, which does show you how fethed up NFL economics have become.
gorgon wrote: Thing is, Spanos tried for years and years to work out something with the city for a new stadium, and they shot him down everytime. Don't get me wrong...I don't feel bad for some multi-millionaire. But if the guy wants to be competitive financially and on the field (and the two are related even with the salary cap), he needs a newer stadium than the dinosaur they have in SD. Clearly he would have preferred to stay there, but they did force his hand.
So Spanos doesn't get his own stadium or his preferred location, SD loses its team, the NFL loses a market, and LA gains a second team that it almost certainly doesn't need. It's not a win for anyone other than maybe the Rams for getting a co-tenant, which does show you how fethed up NFL economics have become.
The Spanos family has a net worth of $2.4 billion. They didn't need the people of San Diego to pay for stadium renovations they could have covered that easily on their own. The NFL also has a G4 program for stadium renovations that will contribute hundreds of millions of dollars in funds for renovation projects that rely on private funds. The Chargers are leaving because the Spanos family didn't want a renovated stadium badly enough to pay for it themselves.
Spoiler:
Be it Resolved:
1.That for any stadium construction project (new stadium or stadium renovation the costs of which will exceed $50 million) involving a private investment for which an affected club or its affiliated stadium entity (“Developing Club”) makes a binding commitment, either NFL Ventures, an affiliate of NFL Ventures or another entity designated by the Finance Committee (the “League-Level Lender”) shall provide funding (“League-Level Funding”) of up to $200 million in the aggregate to the Developing Club to support such project based on the amount that the Developing Club has committed or that will be applied to such project (either through the issuance of equity or the application of PSL proceeds or, except as otherwise provided below in respect of the Second Tranche, through debt incurred by the applicable entity) as a private contribution (the “Private Contribution”) as follows: •For up to $200 million of project costs for a new stadium and up to $250 million of project costs for a stadium renovation, the League-Level Lender will advance a loan equal to the lesser of the amount of the Private Contribution to such costs and $100 million (i.e., stadium renovations shall be subject to a $50 million deductible to be funded by a Private Contribution) (the “First Tranche”), with such loan to be repaid through waived club seat premium VTS and “Incremental Gate VTS” (defined below) during the first 15 seasons of operations in the new stadium and to otherwise include such terms, including with respect to maturity, interest, repayment and subordination, as the League-Level Lender may determine, provided that the controlling owner of the club will be required to guarantee and pay on a current basis any shortfalls in scheduled repayments due to club seat premium VTS and Incremental Gate VTS falling below the amounts necessary for such repayments;
•If there has been a Private Contribution of $100 million ($150 million in the case of a stadium renovation) towards the costs referenced in subsection (a) above, then for project costs between $200 million and $350 million for a new stadium, and for project costs between $250 million and $400 million for a stadium renovation, the League-Level Lender shall provide, in a manner determined by the Finance Committee on a case-by-case basis, an amount equal to 50% of the Private Contribution towards such costs (i.e., the League-Level Lender will provide up to $50 million of such costs) (the “Second Tranche”), provided that for purposes of such funding, only Private Contributions in the form of proceeds from the issuance of equity or the sale of PSLs shall be counted; and
•If there has been a Private Contribution of $200 million ($250 million in the case of a stadium renovation) towards the costs referenced in subsections (a) and (b) above, then the League-Level Lender will advance a loan to the Developing Club of up to $50 million to cover the project costs between $350 million and $400 million for a new stadium, and for the project costs between $400 million and $450 million for a stadium renovation (the “Third Tranche”), with such loan to be made on such terms, including with respect to maturity, interest rate, repayment and subordination, as the League-Level Lender may determine, provided that any such loan shall be guaranteed by the controlling owner of the club.For purposes of this resolution, Incremental Gate VTS means the amount by which gate VTS in the new or renovated stadium exceeds the greater of (i) the average of the final three years of gate VTS in the old or pre-renovated stadium and (ii) the gate VTS in the final year of operations in the old or pre-renovated stadium, in each case with the gate VTS in the old or pre-renovated stadium being increased on a cumulative annual basis at a percentage for any year equal to the League-wide year-over-year percentage increase in gate VTS for the then current season compared to the prior year, excluding for purposes of such percentage calculation gate VTS from new or substantially renovated stadiums that are not operational for the full two seasons. Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the final year in the old or pre-renovated stadium is 2010, then for 2011 only, the increase in the actual gate VTS shall be deemed to be 2%.
2.That any stadium renovations less than $50 million and more than $10 million shall be eligible for a club seat premium waiver, debt ceiling waiver and/or PSL waiver (in each case subject to separate approval from the membership).
3.That League-Level Funding to a project will, unless the Finance Committee otherwise determines on a case-by-case basis, be made in conjunction with other funding sources on a pro rata basis (e.g., unless the Finance Committee otherwise determines, if the project is estimated to cost $1 billion and the League-Level Funding will total $200 million, then for every $4 of funding from other sources put into the project, $1 of League-Level Funding will be put into the project).
An interesting take on that from the latest Sports Guy's Mailbag:
Q: My Chargers could’ve spent $750 million of their own money to build a new football stadium in San Diego. The NFL and the city would have chipped in the rest of the cash. Instead, they’re paying $650 million to leave behind 56 years of history and fans that love them so they can move to a bigger city that doesn’t want them, where they will play in a 27,000-seat soccer stadium for two years, then become the tenants of the L.A. Rams. Sorry, Sports Guy, I don’t have a question.
— Manny D
BS: You know how you could have ended that email? With a hearty round of applause for everyone in San Diego who refused to get extorted by the Spanos family, played a game of stadium chicken with him, sped toward him at 100 mph and eventually sent him scrambling into the guardrail so he could become the Poor Man’s Clippers to the Rams’ Clippers. (There’s no Lakers in this scenario.) Sure, it hurts to lose the football franchise that they’ve had since 1961, and it’s probably a little perplexing to be a one-sport city when it’s one of the most beautiful cities in America. But at least they kept their collective dignity, right?
We broke down the Chargers’ flimsy extortion plan in our HBO piece about the hilariously misguided Convadium (back in October, before it got voted down), but it’s worth mentioning again: Cities get screwed over by these “state of the art” stadiums, again and again, after teams hold a loaded revolver to their heads and offer dreadful deals that they have to either (a) begrudgingly accept, or (b) regretfully turn down (and lose their team in the process). When it’s a new baseball stadium (81 home games plus playoffs) or a new NBA arena (41 home games plus playoffs), the math might make sense. But when it’s an 80,000-seat football stadium used for eight football games, two preseason games and a couple of concerts, how in God’s name does that make sense? What are you doing for the other 350 days? Aren’t there dozens of better ways for a city to spend hundreds of millions? Especially this decade?
Dean Spanos opted against funding his own San Diego stadium because it would have been a suicidal business move. By contrast, Stan Kroenke wanted to build his own Los Angeles football stadium because it was a fantastic business move. For maybe $3 billion total, he owns the signature team in America’s second-biggest market, the obvious Super Bowl stadium every four years or so, the obvious venue for America’s next World Cup final, the obvious stadium for the 2024 Olympics (if L.A. gets it), the obvious home for every major L.A. concert, the new site of the NFL Network’s headquarters, a new home for the NFL combine, a new destination for every major soccer friendly and a fun partner right next door with the Forum.
You know why Kroenke didn’t try to get Los Angeles to pay for any of it? He wanted it all for himself! These guys always think with their wallets — always. It’s the same reason Spanos wanted help from San Diego; he knew it was a bad deal. But this happened on Roger Goodell’s watch and Paul Tagliabue’s watch — once they rigged the CBA so owners could keep more and more of their own stadium revenue as long as they kept figuring out increasingly creative ways to generate it, then potentially three relocations in 14 months became inevitable. The NFL doesn’t care about us. It never did. We’re an ATM to them.
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Having lived in the San Diego area for 6 years, I can tell you, most people there aren't going to miss the team.
Hell, they might not even realize they're gone for a few years!
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Alpharius wrote: An interesting take on that from the latest Sports Guy's Mailbag:
Q: My Chargers could’ve spent $750 million of their own money to build a new football stadium in San Diego. The NFL and the city would have chipped in the rest of the cash. Instead, they’re paying $650 million to leave behind 56 years of history and fans that love them so they can move to a bigger city that doesn’t want them, where they will play in a 27,000-seat soccer stadium for two years, then become the tenants of the L.A. Rams. Sorry, Sports Guy, I don’t have a question.
— Manny D
BS: You know how you could have ended that email? With a hearty round of applause for everyone in San Diego who refused to get extorted by the Spanos family, played a game of stadium chicken with him, sped toward him at 100 mph and eventually sent him scrambling into the guardrail so he could become the Poor Man’s Clippers to the Rams’ Clippers. (There’s no Lakers in this scenario.) Sure, it hurts to lose the football franchise that they’ve had since 1961, and it’s probably a little perplexing to be a one-sport city when it’s one of the most beautiful cities in America. But at least they kept their collective dignity, right?
We broke down the Chargers’ flimsy extortion plan in our HBO piece about the hilariously misguided Convadium (back in October, before it got voted down), but it’s worth mentioning again: Cities get screwed over by these “state of the art” stadiums, again and again, after teams hold a loaded revolver to their heads and offer dreadful deals that they have to either (a) begrudgingly accept, or (b) regretfully turn down (and lose their team in the process). When it’s a new baseball stadium (81 home games plus playoffs) or a new NBA arena (41 home games plus playoffs), the math might make sense. But when it’s an 80,000-seat football stadium used for eight football games, two preseason games and a couple of concerts, how in God’s name does that make sense? What are you doing for the other 350 days? Aren’t there dozens of better ways for a city to spend hundreds of millions? Especially this decade?
Dean Spanos opted against funding his own San Diego stadium because it would have been a suicidal business move. By contrast, Stan Kroenke wanted to build his own Los Angeles football stadium because it was a fantastic business move. For maybe $3 billion total, he owns the signature team in America’s second-biggest market, the obvious Super Bowl stadium every four years or so, the obvious venue for America’s next World Cup final, the obvious stadium for the 2024 Olympics (if L.A. gets it), the obvious home for every major L.A. concert, the new site of the NFL Network’s headquarters, a new home for the NFL combine, a new destination for every major soccer friendly and a fun partner right next door with the Forum.
You know why Kroenke didn’t try to get Los Angeles to pay for any of it? He wanted it all for himself! These guys always think with their wallets — always. It’s the same reason Spanos wanted help from San Diego; he knew it was a bad deal. But this happened on Roger Goodell’s watch and Paul Tagliabue’s watch — once they rigged the CBA so owners could keep more and more of their own stadium revenue as long as they kept figuring out increasingly creative ways to generate it, then potentially three relocations in 14 months became inevitable. The NFL doesn’t care about us. It never did. We’re an ATM to them.
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Having lived in the San Diego area for 6 years, I can tell you, most people there aren't going to miss the team.
Hell, they might not even realize they're gone for a few years!
That's good because the LA fan base can easily accommodate being apathetic about both the Rams and the Chargers so it will take a few years for them to accept the Chargers as "their" team.
gorgon wrote: Thing is, Spanos tried for years and years to work out something with the city for a new stadium, and they shot him down everytime. Don't get me wrong...I don't feel bad for some multi-millionaire. But if the guy wants to be competitive financially and on the field (and the two are related even with the salary cap), he needs a newer stadium than the dinosaur they have in SD. Clearly he would have preferred to stay there, but they did force his hand.
So Spanos doesn't get his own stadium or his preferred location, SD loses its team, the NFL loses a market, and LA gains a second team that it almost certainly doesn't need. It's not a win for anyone other than maybe the Rams for getting a co-tenant, which does show you how fethed up NFL economics have become.
The Spanos family has a net worth of $2.4 billion. They didn't need the people of San Diego to pay for stadium renovations they could have covered that easily on their own. The NFL also has a G4 program for stadium renovations that will contribute hundreds of millions of dollars in funds for renovation projects that rely on private funds. The Chargers are leaving because the Spanos family didn't want a renovated stadium badly enough to pay for it themselves.
But how many other billionaire owners "paid for their own" stadium? I believe MetLife is the only one.
It's not about how things should be, but how they actually are in the marketplace. Ponying up substantial amounts of public money is what cities have to do to keep an NFL team. Spanos was being asked to take a much worse deal than his fellow owners. And a 'renovated' stadium wasn't going to get a deal done. It's a old building that simply isn't built to fatten an owner's wallet like the new breed.
Look, I'm definitely a critic of the palaces that are being built with public money -- especially this new wave of billion(!) dollar stadiums. But NFL teams are still businesses, and it wasn't like Spanos ducked out in the middle of the night like the Colts. He tried for years to get a deal done, and the city basically told him they didn't care if he left. So he did. SD may have done the right thing, and may have its pride, but now it has no NFL team and probably won't get another for a very long time without a brand-new public palace. Congrats?
gorgon wrote: Thing is, Spanos tried for years and years to work out something with the city for a new stadium, and they shot him down everytime. Don't get me wrong...I don't feel bad for some multi-millionaire. But if the guy wants to be competitive financially and on the field (and the two are related even with the salary cap), he needs a newer stadium than the dinosaur they have in SD. Clearly he would have preferred to stay there, but they did force his hand.
So Spanos doesn't get his own stadium or his preferred location, SD loses its team, the NFL loses a market, and LA gains a second team that it almost certainly doesn't need. It's not a win for anyone other than maybe the Rams for getting a co-tenant, which does show you how fethed up NFL economics have become.
The Spanos family has a net worth of $2.4 billion. They didn't need the people of San Diego to pay for stadium renovations they could have covered that easily on their own. The NFL also has a G4 program for stadium renovations that will contribute hundreds of millions of dollars in funds for renovation projects that rely on private funds. The Chargers are leaving because the Spanos family didn't want a renovated stadium badly enough to pay for it themselves.
But how many other billionaire owners "paid for their own" stadium? I believe MetLife is the only one.
It's not about how things should be, but how they actually are in the marketplace. Ponying up substantial amounts of public money is what cities have to do to keep an NFL team. Spanos was being asked to take a much worse deal than his fellow owners. And a 'renovated' stadium wasn't going to get a deal done. It's a old building that simply isn't built to fatten an owner's wallet like the new breed.
Look, I'm definitely a critic of the palaces that are being built with public money -- especially this new wave of billion(!) dollar stadiums. But NFL teams are still businesses, and it wasn't like Spanos ducked out in the middle of the night like the Colts. He tried for years to get a deal done, and the city basically told him they didn't care if he left. So he did. SD may have done the right thing, and may have its pride, but now it has no NFL team and probably won't get another for a very long time without a brand-new public palace. Congrats?
Kroenke is building the new LA stadium for the Rams with private funding, the Giants and Jets built the new MetLife stadium with private funding, the 49ers are building their new stadium with only 12% public funding. The Chargers are now going to end up playing in the stadium that Stan Kroenke is building without taking any public money. Only 2 of the last 7 NFL stadiums that were built will have had a majority of the funding be from the public. The reason Spanos didn't build a new stadium for the Chargers with private funding was because he knew it was a bad business decision and the city of San Diego didn't value the Chargers enough to pay for that bad business decision for Spanos' benefit. If the people of San Diego really wanted to keep the Chargers they could have made a deal but it wasn't going to be a good deal because there was no good deal to be had.
The economics are also different in NY and LA. And while Jeruh paid for the majority of Cowboys stadium, he also got a hefty $444 mil in public money.
I believe the Vikings are getting almost $500 million in public money for theirs. That would have been enough or nearly enough to build any stadium in the NFL before 2008. The issue is at least as much about the cost and extravagance of the newest stadiums as it is the funding.
What is it with the NFL playing musical chairs with which cities the teams set up camp in?
The owners are typically rich d-bags who don't want to spend a dime, but want all the money.... So they hold the tax payers hostage. When hostage negotiations don't go well, they find someone else who *wants* to be a hostage.
Also... unlike soccer and rugby in Europe, the NFL started as a professional, money-making venture. There aren't near the same levels of community ties in an NFL team (with a few exceptions) as there are with European counterparts.
The Seahawks played too erratically this year to make it to the Superbowl. They really need to do some soul searching and rebuild. Tripping over your own people is not a trait of a Superbowl team.
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The Seahawks played too erratically this year to make it to the Superbowl. They really need to do some soul searching and rebuild. Tripping over your own people is not a trait of a Superbowl team.
I don't think there's too much of a rebuild needed. They need to upgrade the offensive line significantly, but other than that it's mostly not having key players injured. Of course you're going to get stuff like tripping the QB when you have to put in a backup lineman in on a team where the offensive line is already the weakest point. The core of the team is already there and under contract, adding necessary depth to survive injuries is far from a major rebuild.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
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Right to their couches to watch the NFC Championship and Super Bowl.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cowboys fans seeing that they're already down 21-3 to Green Bay after all their gak-talking this season:
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Man, the Cowboys put up one hell of a fight. They really should have won that game. However, I also think they should have played as well in the first as they did in the second half.
jreilly89 wrote: Man, the Cowboys put up one hell of a fight. They really should have won that game.
No they shouldn't have. There are times when that expression could be accurate, but most of the time, like last night, it isn't. The game was theirs to win but they couldn't do it. They took dumb penalties; the unsportsmanlike conduct for having too many people in the huddle was straight up dumb. Letting Rodgers catch them with too many men on the field on defense is equally as dumb... I mean, have they never played Green Bay or watched film? That's Aaron Rodgers trick and he does it all the time. The Cowboys also got away with a number of would-be penalties, including some defensive holding and pass interference calls. (To be fair, the Packers got away with one too in the second quarter when Witten was interfered with in the end zone.)
Green Bay made huge plays when they needed them (that pass to Cook was phenomenal) and they made three 50+ yard field goals in the fourth quarter, including the two need to win the game after the Cowboys tried to ice Crosby.
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